Thousands expected to rally in DC for the annual 'March for Life,' amid winter snow storm

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    Except none of their politicians are listening. Seems the gop doesn't actually care about dead babies
     
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    The Supremes made no decision for or against abortion. They simply said its not a federal issue in accordance with the Constitution. They said the issue belongs to voters in each state. That's called DEMOCRACY.
     
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    we're talking about what these republicans are saying, do they want State's Rights?
     
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    And the Feds could easily pass laws on it. That too, is called democracy lol
    Yet no Republican candidates are making it an issue? Almost like baby lives aren’t as important as politics.
     
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    Republicans support democracy and letting the VOTERS decide in each state is PURE DEMOCRACY. I'm not sure how easy it would be for the feds to make it a federal issue after the Supreme Court essentially said it wasn't a federal issue. Sounds like an amendment is required to change that... but that's possible too.
     
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    They said it’s not a right. They didn’t say the Feds can’t outlaw it. If it’s not a right there’s no reason they couldn’t.
     
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    Biden and the Dems want to codify roe vs Wade as federal law. Not sure why the congress and president doing it would make it more constitutional than the court doing it. Now it’s a mix of state laws just like it was in 1972 and before in our history. I can’t see an amendment either banning it or allowing it full term or anything close to either getting support needed to amend the constitution. At least now we don’t have a uniform law crammed down everyone’s throat by judicial fiat.
     
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    And it is an issue being kept alive and politically active by drawing out resolution in a state by state case. This is a losing issue - that has been shown again and again.
     
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    Why is it that the states' rights folks mostly support states' rights . . . when states are limiting individual rights? Why does this side always ignore the last four words of the 10th Amendment? They love citing it, but they always stop reading it before the last four words.
     
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    I think it is more than that because this is about bodily autonomy. Let us say that a state changes its transplant donor laws from an “opt in” model to a compulsory model that would also demand blood and other tissue donation whilst still alive
     
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    They said "abortion" isn't in the Constitution, so it's not a federal matter. They said the VOTERS in the states should determine their own laws. That's called DEMOCRACY!!
     
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    And the b
    odilyvautonomy of the baby?
     
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    lol lots of things aren’t in the constitution but are still regulated federally.
     
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    It isn’t. The conservative court overruled precedent set by a previous conservative court because their base has become more extreme

    Democracy would be letting the people vote on it — how’s that going for y’all?

    Without bodily autonomy, all other rights are meaningless
     
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    Not if the Supreme Court says differently.
     
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    states don' have rights, they have certain powers
     
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    the base had nothing to do with it-many legal scholars-including those who supported legalized abortion, blasted the Roe Decision as political expediency based on an absolutely non-existing constitutional ground
     
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    Playing semantic games ill suits you.
     
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    not a semantic game-it's a key part to understanding federalism. It's akin to people who claim that the "second amendment is limited" which demonstrates the person saying that doesn't understand that the second amendment is about what the GOVERNMENT CANNOT DO vs what the citizens can do.
     
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    states have powers. its lefties who are big fans of the government limiting real rights.
     
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    Then why in the **** are Republicans introducing NATIONAL abortion bans in Congress. Wouldn't that be ANTI-DEMOCRATIC according to your logic?
     
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    Edited because Turtledude gave an honest answer below.
     
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    yeah you are right, there's a lot of hypocrisy from anti abortion activists who CORRECTLy claimed it was a state issue and now think congress should ban or limit abortion. Under the doctrine of estoppel, those who howled for Roe to be overturned should be ignored if they now claim congress should act to ban or limit abortion. now liberals who push congress to pass abortion protection actions-that raises federalism questions
     
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    Yes. And no national law will be passed until there is an amendment. Heck, did you see the Democrat Representative that has introduced the idea of removing the Statue of Liberty? (Florida lawmaker proposes to remove Statue of Liberty over immigration bill (clickorlando.com)) There will always some oddball propositions... from both sides. Don't let it worry you.
     
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    "oddball"? It's a position supported by the Republican Speaker of the House. If the Republicans take back the Senate and hold the House, I guarantee
    there will be a National abortion law passed by 2025.
     

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