Thousands rally against Israel in Istanbul

It means your position is founded in racism

 

@Pisa :

Question:

"Why in the world an immigration department makes deals with casting agencies?"

Our next subject is; "DHS-JC"

 

Do you think he might actually be German?

 

9/11 conspiracy theories have been debunked years ago. I don't have the time to dwell on this topic. I'll only say this: such a conspiracy would involve thousands of people. Keeping the secret would've been impossible.

Why would an Islamic Turkey be easier to manipulate than a secular Turkey?

We don't perceive reality as it is. The human mind works with a model of observed reality. Since individuals have different backgrounds, different belief systems, and different sources of information, individual models of observed reality may vary greatly. While those differences are an endless source of conflicts, they also make interactions between individuals more interesting.

As the above shows, we are born to work with models. Yours is a US-led conspiracy to turn Turkey into an Islamic slave.

Not you. Your source. That less than bright rag.

I never said I don't interpret facts. I do, just not the way you'd like.

Another conspiracy theory?

Well, you just made my point with your "average sense of humor level of average John, Alejandro, Ismail, Miguel, Hans, Ahmed, Francois, Sylvio, Kostas". This is exactly why some manipulative crooks post short excerpts of speeches: to deceive average Johns.

Are you an average John?

Crowd? Hardly. But since you can't see their faces, you don't know how they reacted.

I don't have a problem with various organizations lobbying politicians. This is how democracies work. Organizations don't lead governments. Governments have to take into account people's wishes.

Is everything a conspiracy to you?

I see only normal people doing normal stuff. You know, normal stuff is not only stuff we like, or moral stuff, or even useful stuff. It's just what normal people do.

As I already told you, your method is to fit the premises to your own conclusion by going backwards, using the conclusion as a premise from which you then draw the conclusion that only certain premises apply. This method is called "circular reasoning". It's a logical fallacy.

As long as you use circular reasoning, there's no telling heads apart from tails. I need other, independent unbiased sources, to make up my own mind.

The only part of your post I totally agree with concerns the incredible idiocy of Western politicians aiding and abetting extremists and so-called revolutionaries with nefarious agendas. The identity-of-those-extremists part of the part is debatable though.

If you posted an image, it doesn't show.

 

Aren't you valiantly battling hasbara-driven brainwashed Zionist trolls on a word-traps laden forum to beat them into submitting to the creation of an Arab predominantly Muslim ethno-religious state, the 23'd of his kind?

Yes, it definitely smells like bigotry.

In other breaking news, "Jews" is not another word for "religious people". Just as Muslim is not another word for "terrorist". Just as "Turkey" is not another word for a delicious meal.

 

@Pisa :

Question:

"Why in the world an immigration department makes deals with casting agencies?"

Our next subject is; "DHS-JC"

Ps: You failed bigly in our on going debate but that doesn't mean I let you go. You still gonna be targeted for what your "supposed" reply in your previous post.

 

As I said, the 9/11 conspiracy theory, which claims "burning of jet fuel" brought down those two buildings along with a "no-plane-hit" therefore "no-jet-fuel-catalyzed-fire-was-taking-place" building called Building 7 next to them, as you successfully put, has been debunked many years ago, and once again debunked in my previous posts.



And yes, keeping this stupid conspiracy;



as a secret would involve thousands of people, and that, as you once again so cleverly put, would have been impossible. That's why except some morons, hundreds of millions of people laugh at what the 9/11 conspiracy claims: The Mutants from X-Men are real. (See above photo)

I said "Progressive Islamic sh.thole" in the quoted post you replied to with this question above. If you want an answer to that, I suggest you to search for the terms "Progressive Muslim" and "Progressive Islam"... This way you'd be able to see where the roots are. Then, if I were you, I would make a thorough research to find out about the implementations of "Progressive Religious Movements" in countries such as Pakistan, Malaysia and Turkiye to be able to understand what "methods" are being used to gain popularity to such progressive movements within the very societies they get injected in. Very strong article subject it is... I think I can write 5 long pages about it...

Nice... I agree...

Hahaha... I wasn't expecting that sharp of a diminishing slope in your accelerating margin of rationale that you hardly earned up there, despite all its narrowness... Lol...

Your inferences are funny... Just listen to this dimension shifter and try to relax...



Isn't it like Christmas in Colorado?

What source? Aydinlik? It's referring Rand Corporation's dudes... Sue them...

You gonna make me cry now... Haz poor Jiji also got some quuute interpretationzzz ? Aaaawwwww.... You're the sweetheart aint you now?

I thought you were a cat...

Look, I'm warning you... Don't go there......

Well I've warned you but you didn't listen... Now get ready for smacks:

1)"Moreover, all the key foreign policy decision makers of the Carter Administration had previously served in the Trilateral Commission"

Source: Power and Principle: Memoirs of the National Security Adviser, 1977-1981 Hardcover – March, 1983 by Zbigniew Brzezinski

2) "The same people who gave you Jimmy Carter want now to give you George Bush"

Source: Reagan campaign ad in Florida (FCU) and Texas.

3) "19 key members of the Administration are or have been members of the Trilateral Commission"

Source: Ronald Reagan at New Hampshire Primary (He named all 19 there)

4) "I think there is an elite in this country and they are the very ones who run an elitist government. They want a government by a handful of people because they don't believe the people themselves can run their lives. Are we going to have an elitist government that makes decisions for people's lives or are we going to believe as we have for many decades that the people can make these decisions for themselves"

Source: Ronald Reagan speech to Christian groups, 6 November 1980.

5) "It is quite clear that this group of extremely powerful men is out to control the world. ... [a] world order in which multinational corporations...can thrive without worrying about so called national interests."

Source: Manchester Union Leader William Loeb, in Reagan's New Hampshire Primary.

There are "books" about Reagan's speeches and quotes. I heard there are pretty good deals in Barnes Nobles throughout September...

Yes, Hillary was addressing to people in a 10 sq ft room

Pisa facts 101... lol...

No, this is "NOT" how democracies work because there's not even one single democratic regime in this world. I could make you a long list of supporting arguments that starts from executive power to NGO assigned/controlled statesmen in crucial offices but I still wouldn't be able to imagine you waking up from your sleep to a reality where there's no spoon, sorry democracy... Ignorance is bliss... Lucky you...

It's more than obvious that everything is a conspiracy theory TO you because I put there "facts" (emails) and you ignored because you've been desperately trying to project your own weaknesses (circular reasoning) onto others (me) and can't even see it is you (Fredo) who starts every darn time (a conspiracy theory: Jet fuel brings down steel columned buildings) with what you are trying to end with (another conspiracy theory: Too many people Joe, just too many people)

PIS (Pisa Institute of Standards) should do the world a big favor and release its "universal" findings for what "is" normal stuff...

Me getting your points that you often rely on their supposed strengths and then crumbling them down to pieces by turning them against you "does not" mean "circular reasoning" Pisa... Oh my god... It's called "sarcasm"... A real dark one I usually use to make "smart enough" person to get a point without having to explain things in great detail as I otherwise would with "average Helga"... Are you an average Helga?

Although you sometimes make me think there's actually an imbalance between us, in terms of where we grab the subject and make it flow, I was still believing in us Trinity... You broke my heart...

OK...

I trust you never compromise what I give you as secret, so I'll just share ""one"" of my sources with you... For now...


I know It got a little dirty in my wallet among other ones but just try to make do with this for now

Here's how this guy works:

Get him some hot pssies, a little bit of cocaine, and a scotch on the rocks somewhere in South Beach area...

Then just lean back and listen while he's singing like a bird...

Don't forget, this is between you and me...

It's not, you proved it with the Hamas link you shared. Thanks to you...

I did and it shows in the second post... It was the "social engineering" thing...

Let me know if you have any problems viewing the Baron too... I'll try an online thing to fix it....

 

@Pisa :

Reminder:


Question:

"Why in the world an immigration department makes deals with casting agencies?"

Our next subject is; "DHS-JC"

 

What's happenin Scoob ?

 

Patience.

Unless you can provide me with more than 24 hours a day, of course. Can you?

 

I was just listening this right at the moment the red sign popped there alerting me I got a new quote...



hahah...

Baby, you can have whatever you like... I said you can have whatever you like... Shawty you the hottest, love the way you drop it, brain so good I swear you went to college...

Them lyrics can't be no coincidence now...

 

Don't you leave me without you here @Pisa

 

In the photo we see Edna Cintron waving desperately, waiting for help that never came. May she rest in peace, and may her memory never be used in nefarious ways.

I see in that photo things I've never seen before, but that's not because there are some monsters there. It's because I've never seen damage of that magnitude. We see with the brain, not with the eyes - the image is formed in the brain using information relayed by the eyes. The brain works with patterns, it uses them to recognize the information relayed by the eyes. We have the patterns for mutants and monsters in our brains due to comics, movies, videos, pictures, computer games. We are thus able to compare what we see with what we already know (patterns). Since most people haven't seen destruction on the 9/11 scale, and don't possess the necessary knowledge to recognize it for what it is, they lack the necessary patterns to help them identify the image before their eyes. Existing patterns are used.The brain is “inherently lazy” and will always “choose the most energy efficient path” if we let it. This is how we "see" monsters where there are none.

Erdogan doesn't seem progressive to me. At all.

Are you now suggesting there's a conspiracy to promote progressive Islam throughout Islamic countries?

Keep in mind that conspiracy is a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. How is progressive Islam harmful?

It's no secret that every society will favor those societies that have the same values. Critical thinking is the hallmark of democratic societies. Progressive Islam promotes critical thinking (or so they say), hence it will be favored by sane Western politicians (as opposed to Obama, who embraced the Muslim Brotherhood as if they were the saviors of the human race). Too bad sane Western politicians are rather hard to find these days...

 

Before I begin, I'd like to let you know that I'm glad we have a Pisa in this forum.

Seriously, literally and sincerely I enjoy our discussions a lot. Hope you stick around because the forum needs quality posters like you.

Hats off to you m'am...

Having been through that it's time to hurt you a little. Nah I'm just kidding. But I'll go back to my old tone tho. Sorry, I have to be comfortable

Nice... Then try not to push for her memory to be used in such "early-17th-century-vocab" ways... Thanks.

In my opinion, you should cut the crap and begin "thinking critically" and question how in the Newtonian world is the heat that's way below the fusing point for steel can still amazingly melt them 2.5 inch thick columns while incredibly leaving 0.27 inch thick human skull untouched there, destroying the classical physics that have been ruling every single living organism's life on this planet.

I'm sure all it takes is a less thicker skull to end up concluding there's only 2 possibilities leading to such an outcome:

1- The human subject called Edna has special DNA that resists such levels of heat much longer than steel does (oh ma great patterns)
2- The entire thing, including official reports, statements and finds, is mere BS

Pick one.

Who cares what he seems to you? Roles are to be played anyways. Besides, his partner was Gulen for years, one of the prominent Progressive Islam leaders in the world if not the most famous one after Ul Qadri of Canada. Gulen's journalists worked really hard to polish Erdogan like a piece of silver in the mud when he got imprisoned for the poem he addressed openly before the TV cameras that had those controversial lines I told you about in my earlier posts. Yes, he's played his part well in that progressive Islam project more than a decade (late 1990s-2012) long till "some force" has put an end to their partnership. Think... A short while before the 2010 referendum Gulen's video struck websites. In that video he was literally giving orders to his followers to "raise the dead from their graves if it is possible"

Here's the video:



I put the Turkish text of what he says in the above video here so you can get your own translation from your beloved independent sources:

"Değil sadece kadını erkeğiyle, çoluğu çocuğuyla ve dünyanın dört bir yanına dağılmışıyla hayatta olan insanları, imkan olsa mezardakileri bile kaldırarak o referandumda 'Evet' oyu kullandırmak lazım. Mezardakiler bile kalksın. Ben zannediyorum kalkarlar da, ben zannediyorum ruhları koşar da. Çünkü demokrasi adına çok önemli bir adımdır"

Here's my humble version:

"Not only have women, men, "children", and people (citizens) who are alive and spread all across the world, but even by raising the ones from their graves, if possible, have them all vote "yes" in the referendum. Raise the dead from their graves. I believe they (the dead people) do so (raise from graves), I believe their souls run too (to vote yes). Because this step, in the name of democracy, is very important."

This video was recorded in Pennsylvania, USA. Feto says the step is very important in the name of democracy but what actually the referendum was all about was to capture HSYK (Supreme Council of Judges and Prosecutors) which was considered back then as the last fortress standing strong against the civil occupation (meaning getting under control of a certain group -FETO- other than the one that was educated and employed by the state's own founding philosophy) of institutions of the "pro-independence and pro-unitary Kemalist regime".

Some of the related articles of the constitution were subjected to change through an absolute majority of yes votes and then it was going to be all possible to control HSYK. Conquering that last fortress unlocked all doors, broke Kemalist resistance within the state, rendered absolute rule of a religious sect (Nurcu) because from then on there was no checks and balances left within the judiciary system itself which were still there, although badly hurt, when FETO's judges and prosecutors were imprisoning people just because they were "pro-independence" and "pro-unitary state" Kemalists. Although at a very slow pace the supreme council was still functioning and therefore was still being considered as a threat to FETO and partners due to the institution's nature of conducting legal implementations like sanctioning, banishing, punishing, dismissing, discharging, suspending judges and prosecutors who were not abiding by the laws and deciding/helping for arbitrary rulings about innocent people whom of course happened to be having Kemalist tendencies.

You want names, ranks, occupations of the ones got falsely charged and imprisoned?

You'd be more than welcome to ask... I'd be glad to provide them...

What I'm saying is, Erdogan who pushed for the referendum back in 2010 has got the backing of Progressive Islamic leader called Gulen and that video is just "one" proof among zillions others.

Oh now you took out the "theory" part and left "conspiracy" alone? Do you think that helps twisting what you said before in your previous posts? Lol...

Look jiji, labeling is like putting a sticky on something that you want to see in a way you believe it should be. Labeling facts as being parts of "conspiracy theories" or as just being "conspiracies" won't change the way they function. You're so into seeing everything as conspiracy. This explains why you look from that narrow window because conspiracy window is always narrow.

Promoting progressive Islam is not conspiracy because no secrecy is involved there. Everything is being openly done unless you got the notion of seeing "what's NOT told" as part of "confidentiality". For instance, the Open Society Institution will never write you a letter to let you know officially that they support progressive Islam because they see it as part of what they are there for; an "open society".

Oh my dear mind... A lot of stuff has to be kept in there.

Listen, just because I said "progressive Islamic sh.thole" doesn't necessarily mean I said it is harmful because what I am obviously opposing here is the methods used and the "side purposes" attached to the general cause of freeing Islam from radicalism. That having said, neither my opinions nor could my oppositions about what's harmful and what's not be sufficient enough to ignore the fact that terming the entire action as "progressive" -or something else- doesn't mean it is NOT "against human rights". Yes it is because nobody has the right to manipulate freewill no matter what. If people wish to live by the rules of a man that has long gone now then they have the right to do so because that falls right under the description of "freedom" which gives soul to your supposed democracy. But what do we have instead? We got some group of elitists that promote what to be believed in via labeling parts of some belief systems as some terminology and demonize them. For example, do we have a world standard that details what is to be considered as radicalism while we don't even have anything close to an international consensus over it? No... We got no consensus, we got no absolute majority, but we are being told what's harmful, what's radicalism and therefore what has to be destroyed and what has to be believed in...

-Do we care about culture sire (pronounced as sayuh)?
-"Yes sure sonny, the culture of the flags that have color combinations of 'red, white and blue' along with some stars, stripes, coat of arms of old houses and crosses and sh.t. Let me tell you this boy; there's only one correct culture here and that's my culture. Other ones are either sick traditions or garbage. So them must be eliminated or be turned into something that can be easily adjusted to mine, so I don't have to worry no more about my domination around this neighborhood"

This may be called a "Pisa Democracy" but unfortunately there's nothing universal in this other than some "dark force" (yes, that's universal at least) that dictates its own rules and hegemony upon the rest of the world. No good...

I know... I didn't say it was... It's you being funny with secrecy and stuff...

There is no such thing as democratic society. Besides, if there had been a handful of few, it would have been still absurd to make such a statement because hallmark is "what characterizes" something/somebody/some group, therefore if critical thinking was "the" hallmark we wouldn't have executive stupid orders ruling "supposedly" the most developed democratic societies in the world, but we do have them and we are in 2017, a year marks all excuses and apologetic cries for millions of violations like that as NSCB (Not So Cool Bro).

By the way, less than a million out of 350 million appear to be opposing such kingdom implementations and among them are some bunch -not so few- oppose just because they oppose, without even acknowledging what the heck really is going on with the implementation itself. That's not critical thinking being a "hallmark" of democratic society, that's a major "Orwellian approval" of a "pilot society" that was established in the first place to spread across the planet by changing every single society founded on other geographical regions of the world into itself like a virus that can be equationized as:

(C+OE+OS) x (E+MS) = D+F.

Whereas;

C: Capitalism OE: Open Economy OS: Open Society E: Exploitation MS: Mass Slavery D: Democracy F: Freedom

Sorry but critical thinking ma ass Pisa...

Yeah... Because a blogger says so I guess...

Progressive Islam could be promoting critical thinking in many countries the implementations had taken place in a way or the other but intelligence gathering sort of side purposes jeopardized the main purpose and hurt the cause so freaking bad that all the potentiality has been lost. If you start a god darn civil cause, you better make sure you go by right methods and not compromise it by abusing it, especially for not ending up having to cut some deals with the ones you've imprisoned once. FETO is a massive CIA fck-up among all examples including Qadiri.

Obama embraced MB for a reason. He was the representative of globalists whom were described a little somewhere up in this post. Those people want controlled cross-cultural integration because they believe their way of handling things are better: "Americanization of the globe". However, 2 of the other 4 countries that has been having a little say regarding global politics told Americanizationists that they had already paced up with them as they were told after 1990s, by the end of the cold war, and now they want more to say. They said they opened their economies, let Ferraris, Camaros, yachts, mansions, Wal-Marts, McDonald's poured well into their economy. They said they have successfully created some beautiful blends of their strengths with capitalist requirements, like selling natural resources and letting foreign capital in to create oligarchs, or like having hundreds of millions of their citizens served literally as armies of cheap slaves to capitalism. They said through such mixtures they managed to grew on the back of a big bloody leech as smaller leeches. They said now they want equal share of everything.

Amerikanizasyon dudes had to say yes as there was very little to do against such demands because EU were aging real fast. There on the horizon they were clearly seeing their fading manpower essential for further productivity which is a must if to endure existence. It's like few lions allowing dozens of hyenas trespassing their lands in exchange of bites on the hunts because lions got too weak to hunt for themselves despite they are still superior in physical shape and size. Hyenas are good at spotting weaknesses and strengths. So they start playing by the current conjunctures. They developed hunting strategies and tactics that could be conducted without pissing lions off so that they could get more share as there were more food out of lions' reach. That's how Amerikanizasyon came to an end and multi-polarity eventually found itself getting lifted up...

Whatever...

 

Wow.

Well...for once, I'm at a loss for words.

We don't live in a Newtonian world. We live in a quantum mechanics world. A Bayesian world.

Classical physics - physics in general - doesn't rule anything. It's an invention. It's a set of symbols used to describe observed reality, nothing more.

1. I really and sincerely hope you're not serious about it. There are (or were - technology advances so fast) people who worked near open furnaces used to melt steel and their not so thick skulls didn't melt. Google "metallurgist".

2. http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...le_who_claim_to_know_the_truth_about_jfk.html

I rest my case.

I do.

He's an opportunist. Power is all he's interested in.

I'm aware of Erdogan's efforts to curtail civil rights in Turkey. I don't know why Gulen supported him. Why did Erdogan turn against Gulen?

No, I don't believe Gulen organized the coup last year. I think it was Erdogan's own plan to purge the last "rogue elements" from the public sphere. A conspiracy.


By the way, a Muslim Arab - a gentle man, always ready to help - told me yesterday that killing women for adultery is the right thing to do. He defended polygamy and oppression of women. Now I'm aware that even a progressive Muslim is likely to defend those abominations. The question is, did Gulen-backed Erdogan persecute Kemalists because he's a progressive Muslim, or because he's too power thirsty to tolerate dissent?

Turkey was never a beacon of human rights anyway.

"Conspiracy" is the act of conspiring.

"Conspiracy theory" is the belief that others are conspiring.

Some conspiracies really happen. Some conspiracy theories are true.

Hope it's clear now.

Good point. But I don't like what's coming next.

Define "fee will". I feel a heated argument coming up.

So...you don't know what democracy is. Why am I not surprised? Those who rail against democracy don't usually know what that is.

Democracy deals with individual freedoms, meaning that somebody who wants to live by the rules of a long gone man has the right to do so - as long as he doesn't break any of the country's laws and as long as he doesn't force others to live by the same rules. Belief in Islam on an individual level is compatible with democracy. Honor killings or stoning are not.

Now to the part where you defend the right of people to live by certain rules rather than others. The very big elephant in this particular room is the word "freedom" you so generously used to describe oppressive societies. I grew up in one of those "free" societies which followed the rules of the sacred communist trinity Marx-Engels-Lenin. Being able to compare "freedom to follow rules or else" with "freedom to think for myself and try to change rules if not suitable", I'll always choose the later.

I remember how we yearned for the greatest democracy of all to ride into the dictator's palace in a white Rolls Royce and put an end to the existence by the rules. Only someone who never lived in a dictatorship can think that "living by strict rules" could be termed "freedom".

Why would we need a world standard, when the definition is quite clear?

We are being told what the governments think is harmful, but we are not forced to believe it. This is the greatest asset democracies offer - free of charge - to every individual: freedom of opinion.

Why would we need approval of absolute majority on anything? Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy, by the way. Centuries ago the absolute majority believed Earth is flat. Absolute majority is irrelevant. We don't have a collective brain. We're not a hive. Use your own mind.

I'll tell you what radicalism is in my worldview. Every totalitarian ideology is radical, because it seeks to conquer and dominate, most religions included. This is how I recognize a totalitarian ideology: it claims to know the absolute ultimate truth, it claims to be the solution to humanity's problems, it advocates use of force to gain power, it crushes dissent, it tries to destroy every organization, group, or individual it sees as a competitor and thus a threat. Oh, and criticizing it is a mortal sin, of course.

Is there a limit to the number of quotes allowed in a post? Can't continue quoting from your post. Oh well, I'm tired anyway, it's three in the morning here.

 

I'll post a reply

 

Well Im still on it

 

Please...

Oh don't do this to poor humanity now... I know I am actually a "subatomic" particle, an electron if you will, that acts like a wave when Pisa looks away and acts like a particle when she turns her head back at me and continues to observe me rollin... But the world is not ready for that yet Pisa. So don't make the word ruined in the hands of the profane like that in this "public forum that is open to everyone" ...

Yes... We'll see how that folds out down below...

So you are saying it's just our brains that are Newtonian. Not bad...
Before I ask you what Matrix is, I'd like to know if you can tell planes approached in waves and hit as so to the South and North towers? No can tell..?

Literally...

Hahaha... Metallurgy huh? Did you really think this might be seriously considered as an "argument" to come up with against my thing?
I mean trying to explain the melt of almost 50 count of 2.5 inch (6.4 cm) "thick" steel columns in as fast as 40 minutes at such a level of heat that is totally "much less" (few hundred celcius less) than steel's actual melting point with "metallurgists" melting steel (god knows of what quality and thickness) in pre-readied ovens at heats of melting point in hours and hours long processes is a little too much even for a hogwash...

Resting yourself would be a better idea as you never seemed having bit of a case so far... Now watch me melting the quote you made from that web page:

Why a stupid son of a well known CFR member and a director of the Central Intelligence must be making such a big sacrificial decision while he's even incapable of reading simple text from a prompter properly? I proved you that CFR and TC sort of NGOs have been in charge of most offices in the White House. The names, offices, and members assigned are known. You were shown clearly the statements and official quotes from ex POTUSes and TC/CFR members like Reagan, his campaign supporters, Brzezinski, etc.

I dont think this guy;



who bought terrorism insurance 2 months prior the attacks and put billions upon his wealth would say no to fellows with deep ties when asked to allow them sending in teams doing the job by cutting necessary columns and putting thermite in within several nights under scheduled "MAINTENENCE" works on certain floors...

Well don't look at me like that because it was you who said this was a Bayesian world... So deal with the probability... Lol...

Let's just exclude CIA for now. Bush was the director of that agency before his presidency.
Other than that, the common pattern I see in most pro-official-narrative zombies is their strict beliefs that conspiracies are always "hidden" and "secretive".

Cold war's long gone now. Like it or not but there's this one truth laying before us with all its clarity; USA is home to the greatest minds in the world. I mean the traditional methods they have for picking and educating certain people in NGOs alone is totally strange to many countries, including numerous western ones. It doesn't end there, the follow up after education with tasks, assignments is worth looking into. Then the picks for the offices are literally amazing. The entire system is working like a perfect mechanism with few or no glitches at all. I'm a fan because I love beautiful strategies, methods and state level implementations like this.

Believe me such a state tradition is what literally makes America great. This mechanism is the main driving force behind the famous world domination because it's just one and only.

So what I'm saying is, such a deep and strong state mechanism has always been superior to come up with right grand agenda, tied to that right grand plans, right scenarios, right strategies based on right tactics, right operations and right controlled details for having the desired result/picture/outcome... And not everybody has to know whether they are part of a controlled detail, an operation or a tactic or any upper layer of the agenda because the way it was built (complex set of hiararchical structures) automatically provides a master key that grants and denies access to any layers for anybody. All it takes is: "Sorry dude that's on NTKB" (need to know basis)... So NTKB gives you opportunity to worry only about the "field operations" and "timings"... May there be any cracks on the NTKB walls? William Cooper would have had an answer to that if he was around but I heard he's with JFK... Meaning that the cracks are covered with harsh cement... Sad....

 

Is he now? As if the counterparts in different countries who serve multiple terms are resting their asses on those chairs only for democracy and not for more power and control. Id say you knew better than that but after your famous metallurgy argument up there I know you don't know better...

Some countries have certain populations within which some groups must be approached in a certain way for the greater good. This does not mean any totalitarianism(well it is to me actually but not to you because you are so full of systemic rules which you'd ignore totalitarian features of if it comes from what you think is civilized).Given the circumstances and the target to be reached by the west, this necessary approach is a method to discipline the society.

It's like the Queen of UK (and Canada as well) punishes entire football fans of England (tens of millions of people) and bans their teams from attending European cup competitions, and therefore banning each one of fans from "traveling" other countries for away games of their teams entirely for 5 years because she thinks what few hundred hooligans did in a game in 1985 was stupidly horrible. Because she thought she owned the society just like her great grandfathers did in medieval times, she had to do something to discipline that certain group in "her" society by ordering Thatcher to order FA to "withdraw" all English clubs from UEFA competitions.

Good question.

He really did not. The general change in the world has also brought a likewise wind of change to Turkiye politics. Actually the globalist America was in a rush because they were seeing their European partners fading away from the world stage due to the points I made previously about their aging manpower and scarce resources so they had to act quick to rebalance global situation with the waking bear and the dragon. This was a big risk because what they were also aware of was the bear starting to test fences surrounding the Heartland. Right beyond those fences are European powers getting weaker and weaker every year.

This shift in global power axis is no coincidence. It could have been tested and verified even in 70s because the Eurasian powers have been in possession of two major advantages that are crucial to world domination; manpower and natural resources. After 9/11 America had to rush in to seize the available Afghanistan. Iraq was a problem because of Iran and Eurasian cliques of Turkiye, like Kemalists but still was able to accomplish main objective there; the formation of "KRG".

2011 was given as a deadline for the supposed reforms called "democratic initiative processes" in Turkiye by not only James Jeffrey but by Erdogan himself as well. Both have made tons of statements to numerous media sources that the democratic initiative process for Kurds (there were also initiatives for different religious and ethnic groups) in Turkiye should've been concluded before the American withdrawal in the region took place because they knew they had this one shot while the Kemalists were imprisoned. I'm not going to discuss why America had to withdraw and Russia has filled in. I can touch upon this in detail later on if you like but all I can tell for now is the withdrawal was a must for the US.

The Kemalist clique is actually TSK itself (Turkish Military) because they have been the only ones that have been having enough strength in both waging wars in armed conflicts and psychological terms. TSK is also capable of indoctrinating masses in a certain way which happens to be against America's global interests. Kemalist indoctrination alone is enough for America to revise its entire Middle East strategy as the indoctrination is based on a strong anti-imperialist, pro-independence and pro-unitarism stance, all of which are threats to American plans in the region.

Anyways, Kemalists began getting imprisoned in 2007 in an effort to conclude the initiatives without getting them jeopardized by whom were saying only one thing in response to them: "over our dead bodies". No need to mention the democratic initiatives for Kurds of Turkiye were mainly set on the idea of "autonomous regions" through desired constitutional changes which in fact would enable free EU/US access to crucial natural resources that are even today are unknown to Turkish public. The nightmare of Kemalists actually ended in 2012 when they finally learned from their sources that they were going to be released within couple of years as the withdrawal would be leaving Erdogan alone in the region. Once they got out they would be destroying everybody who had the littlest responsibility for their illegal captivity of 6 years. What actually led their release is the "rush" that America had in planning. Below are some examples for only few of the blunders the rush has caused:


1) In 18 March 2009 an official letter was sent from the office of chief of staff to the interior ministry about the visits of some American personnel (AFOSI-Air Force Office of Special Investigations) to some Turkish officials at their offices in different cities across Anatolia recklessly violating their granted very limited jurisdictions by simply leaving the compounds and mission areas/fields.

2)On April 7 2009, 20 days after the official letter from the office of Chief of Staff the interior ministry ludicrously sent official warning letters to governors of all 81 cities to be vigilant about and for not giving any information to the American personnel visiting. The reason for the wait was pathetic; Obama was visiting the country so it was better to wait the warnings till the end of his visit for not causing any diplomatic problems between the two allies.

3) AFOSI personnel had one designated mission: Checking and supervising other American personnel "within designated" areas which were bilaterally agreed upon via international treaties. Those designated areas are NATO task offices or joint command centers like incirlik base. In 2004 an AFOSI personnel whose designated mission field was limited with one single office at Incirlik base in Adana was found visiting a Turkish official in Giresun a city hundreds of miles away from his mission field.

4)Another one was documented visiting an official in Bartin in 2003. His name was Jason White, and he was a Captain. He was introduced to journalists as a visiting "policeman" at the entry to the governor's office. Some Turks buy that kind of stuff but some don't obviously.

5) There was an ODC-T (Office of Defense Cooperation Turkiye) staff I remember whose surname was "Black". He was seen taking some photos while suspiciously exploring Gaziantep area and its neighboring towns and cities. This fat white dude was feeling so comfortable around here that at one point he had a traffic accident in his black Chevy Suburban with a diplomatic license plate on killing a person and got no arrest due to his diplomatic immunity and went directly back home to US right after the incident. I must have a photo of his fat apologetic face somewhere in my wallet among other crucial names and photos like one DHS dude or a Baron of Monaco or a Mullah of Iran or... But I digress... Mr Black had a Turkish wife. I don't know if the woman knew almost everything about her husband was fake, including the surname but she looked happy at the airport leaving here. Was she dreaming for hours of shopping at Macy's? Only god knows...

6) Blacks Whites Yellows Oranges... They are all agents with stupid covers under funny titles from stupid nonfunctional offices. Speaking of ODC-T, this is rather interesting office tho. The personnel working at this office were feeling that they were about to find the new Republic of Turkiye. Thats why I guess 35 of them were freely getting in and out of the Police HQ in Yildiz, Ankara... As if there was a special command room arranged for them in that building's certain floor. In 4 Feb 2010 the opposition party's prominent parliament member Atilla Kart got on the stand at the parliament and asked directly the interior minister's face officially in front of hundreds of PMs about the 35 Americans entered the country for "joint mission on paper" at OCD-T building in Ankara near a sports complex. The minister replied as follows each time the question was rephrased and asked over and over again: "I do not know", "I have not heard of them", "I do not have any information about them". All words spoken at parliament sessions are recorded officially and can be found by date at official websites as written proceedings. How pathetic it is that a minister couldn't even say the allegations were mere BS and denied them all.

7) Bilgin Balanli was a Kemalist general. He got arrested in 2011 due to his alleged role in Ergenekon. The digital document that was submitted as evidence to the court was very interesting. It was a document allegedly sent by Balanli to his alleged fellow coup planners. The digital input says it was sent to other Kemalist general İbrahim Firtina. However the preparation of the document was clearly not fitting the Turkish military's internal memo standards. Not only that, the document was about a supposed operation plan but the sender was Planning and Policies department. Now Turkish military has one unique internal structure, our operation plans are not made by the Planning and Policies department but by the Heads of Operations for each military command. What's funny is that the Planning and Policies department prepares operation plans in PENTAGON. So with additional finds in late 2016 that the main source to such fabricated evidence was the Yildiz building we can tell that the 35 stupids have played a big role in plotting Ergenekon trials with this kind of fabricated digital documents. There are much bigger fck ups for sure.

This rush was enough even for the majority of 45% of general voters lined up behind Erdogan to ask questions. Think of it for a second now: You got whole bunch of work to do in this country. You want constitutional changes passed from the parliament the majority of which has been the strongest ally to you in the entire country for years. You want presidential system with a biparty system attached to it because you think it's the best ever to make the country compatible with DC. You think compatibility is important for two main reasons, one for fast introductions of necessary reforms to turn the entire country into Mini-USA and two for getting yourself an ultimate audit advantage over the governmental bodies which almost equal to a total control over the country itself. Moreover, you need the compatibility for adjusting others in the region like oil rich countries and KRG. You also want civilian control over Turkish military because you think that military had to be tamed as its been posing a threat for every step you want to take in the region. So you count on the FETO guys you had them infiltrated in many ranks not higher than staff colonel and few generals among thousands of Kemalists. You want all these done in Turkiye in less than a decade before you realized whatever you do the Kemalists would still be a threat to all your plans.

After the realization however, instead of searching negotiable grounds with them you chose to fight with them and tried to get all this done in 5 years. Now not only having lost the fight but having come to negotiable grounds with the patriots you allowed their release and therefore allowed their take-over of government in exchange of constitutional referendum and an uncertain biparty system because Kemalists now say over my dead body to HDP-CHP merger too, meaning that they would bargain for more. Maybe the biparty thing is in total danger now. So maybe you should hold on to the Iranian agent Reza as tight as ever before to give a clear message that you have a good hand too.

When you start seeing things from such perspective you understand those fckups are actually successes because in spite of the existence of this huge mess you still managed to keep your agents with you and are still holding on to some crucial importance dudes, offices and positions in the government. Not so bad...

Look, we don't like Erdogan. He imprisoned patriots and Kemalists by allowing CIA groups fabricating evidence like that. But today things are different.

 

Well Pisa, I told you that you were a conspiracy theorist. Lol. Nah, see I know better than that. I respect your opinions.

Maybe he's not been a gentleman but it was your wrong judgment that made him look like one? Do you often falsely judge people like that?

The answer was given in detail up there. Please let me know if you need any further clarifications.

Yeah I know this is not Switzerland where you could get arrested for saying what you think out loud until we went there and destroyed that fascist law forever.

I didn't obviously mean the opposite of determination by free will. I meant freedom of choice.

Lol... You're funny...

That's nothing to do with democracy, sorry. What's the point to call it a democracy when they force you to take off your hijab that your religion/morals orders you to use it covering your face? By the way democracy does deal only with the majority rights and majority interests because it's a rule of majority. That's the reality in everywhere around the globe. So stop calling it democracy. It's a majority rule, a pathetic orwellian slavery.

No. It's not at all compatible even at individual levels because again what you refer to is not democracy but set of rules protecting interests of majority.

but you sound you'd go with the former. Sad.

No. The definition is not clear at all. It is not even clear to define and classify simple terror actions as ethnic or religious. We need a world standard because everybody has own radicalism definition.

Yes but we are being told what governments think is good and we are forced to believe it. I think I have millions of examples crossing my mind in this very second. This is the lousiest feature the supposed democracies offer -for a little money- to every individual: brainwashing mainstream views through selling news media coverage.

That's your understanding of democracy. That's the reality of democracy that needs to have an answer to that question.

Your supposed democracy (the majority rule) is the only ideology today that seeks to conquer and dominate, most religions included. This is how I recognize a majority rule ideology: it claims to know the absolute ultimate truth, it claims to be the solution to humanity's problems (we work for peace in the world), it advocates use of force to gain power (we bring democracy and freedom to Iraqis/Afghans/Syrians/Vietnamese/Japanese/Nicaraguans/etc), it crushes dissent (Set Rich), it tries to destroy every organization (NGOs of pro-unitarists like ADD) , group (patriots/Kemalists), or individual (what one shall I mention?) it sees as a competitor and thus a threat.

I guess there is. That's why I have to separate my post into 3 parts like this

 

Yo Majority... What's happening?

 

We had the Jewish New Year. Back to normal now. Expect some serious blows to your theories soon...

Some facts and claims in your posts are not easy to check. Takes time, patience, and work. Knee jerk is not my thing.

 

Some serious blow backs... Wuuuuu... Im scared sh.tless...

Happy new year... Be safe...

 

Thank you.

 

Actually, you act like both at the same time. This is what sparked my interest.

I don't understand the question.

Steel didn't have to melt for the building to come down. It only had to become too weak to support the rest of the building.

I'm not an expert. All I can do is rely on those who know more about such issues. Like the prestigious PopularMechanics magazine.

No, you did not.

CFR and NGO's have the right to make demands. That doesn't mean their members decide the foreign policy of the White House. They might influence some decisions, granted, but so might an article in a newspaper.

By the way, I found the whole Hilary speech at the CFR. Not a huge crowd, as you expected. Mostly former politicians. Old, experienced guys. The kind of people who would smile at a joke, but wouldn't laugh loud.

I don't like quotes taken out of context. I don't have the time nor the will to check each and every one of them. There are so many fake quotes and truncated speeches and quotes taken out of context out there on the world wide web. So many lies. So many hateful people lying to billions only to make the other side look bad. That's why I decided to join internet forums: to expose the lies. But there are too many, too widespread, embedded in so many minds.

I don't say you're lying. I'm not so sure about your sources though. Healthy skepticism is the best way to deal with your arguments so far. Anyway, I don't see the connection between the quotes and a 9/11 conspiracy.

Source for the insurance thingy?

Such "maintenance" work would require hundreds of people keeping quiet for the last 16 years. Impossible.

Has it ever occurred to you that the pro-official-narrative zombies have read and understood the definition of the word "conspiracy"?

A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
‘a conspiracy to destroy the government’

If it's not secret, it can't be named "conspiracy". Maybe "plan", or "intent", or "discussion". Not "conspiracy".

To be continued tomorrow.