Three years into Trump presidency, his ‘immediate’ replacement for ‘Obamacare’ hasn’t emerged

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  1. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    Only in the eyes of the receiving end. The rest of us who are actually paying for this boondoogle, understand it's a Charlie Foxtrot of epic proportions.

    It was created as a wrapped and bowed gift to the insurance industry of a captive audience locked in by the abusive of government to mandate the purchase of a private product. The monetary punishment for not purchasing this product was never defined as a tax until it suited them to do so. It was a partisan wad of paper forced on the public without those voting for it, know what it contained.

    The screwing employers took on behalf of the government is a whole subject unto it's self.
     
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    From someone who apparently supported a bill that was forced through on a partisan line, and they didn't even read it or know what was in it.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was a major win for the working class. The insurance mandate put people in a position of having to choose between groceries or buying a more expensive health insurance policy....or add insult to injury and pay a Tax Penalty for not being able to afford Obama's "affordable" health care.

    The plan gave subsidies to the very poor. The working poor got dinged with tax penalties they couldn't afford, and most others just grumbled about the cost of premiums and deductibles skyrocketing.

    All Obamacare did was give healthcare to the very poor and take it away from those who were one-step up, working paycheck to paycheck. Oh, and doctors quit the professional because they want to treat patients, not spend hours filling out piles of government paperwork.
     
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    The Supreme Court Ruled that ACA was not constitutional unless it was considered a tax. The "buy insurance or pay a penalty" made it a government tax scheme...as well as a big government bailout of the insurance industry.

    That is about to change, since Trump took the teeth out of it by cancelling the penalty mandate.

    "The 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals by a 2-1 vote concluded the original law’s key funding mechanism known as the individual mandate — requiring most Americans to purchase health insurance or face a tax penalty — was properly eliminated by Congress and therefore the entire law could not be enforced."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fe...amacare-law-setting-up-supreme-court-showdown
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When was that?

    "...the Trump administration released its final rule regarding Health Reimbursement Arrangements (HRAs). The 497-page document will take lawyers and employment professionals weeks to absorb and digest fully. But in a nutshell, the rule will help to make coverage more portable and affordable—while also going a long way to resolve the problem of pre-existing conditions."

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/06/17/trump-administration-gets-smart-pre-existing-conditions/
     
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    Interesting link, thank you for that.
     
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    See post #72
     
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    And you quote the decision here, although to my point, the DOJ altered its position to match the lower court ruling in that the entire law is unconstitutional. That would include eliminating the pre-existing conditions protection.
     
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    Are you blaming Trump or the do nothing congress, both republican and democrat, that has been ****ing around for the last three years?
    As for any Trump executive orders altering or replacing obamacare, that has changed in spite of the leftie judge shopping.
    Oh, and just to rub salt, Trump has put 187 new judges on the bench which will make shopping for judges just a bit more difficult.
     
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    That is where Trump's idea is to make your insurance policy "portable". If your condition starts while working for one employer but you quit, your company insurance policy ends. Then you have a "preexisting condition" with your next employer and new insurer.

    Having your insurance transfer from job to job would solve a lot of those issues for those who get deemed to have pre-existing conditions, and keep people from being stuck in jobs they hate just to continue on the same insurance.
     
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    So you have no insurance?
     
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    I never supported Obamacare, I'm only opining on another silly promise and failure to deliver by trump.
     
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    perhaps what is disingenuous is to assure people that you are going to make things much better....without actually having looked into that details of how that would be done. I mean, does trump also get credit for balancing the budget.... because he also said he was going to do that?
     
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    He passed the new drug transparency bill to lower drug pricing, got the unconstitutional mandate eliminated. The Democrats took back the House pledging that healthcare would be their top issue, what have they sent him?
     
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    At least some activity on the subject has brought relief to people, the neutering of the penalty for individuals. Next step, the spaying of the employer reporting on the1095. He may not be moving quickly, but at least something is happening.
     
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    Perhaps he tried to find a plan that was more moronic than Obamacare but failed. ;)
     
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    Oh yeah, it's just great. I recently looked into a bronze ACA plan for myself (the minimum coverage) My premium would be 496$ a month. It's completely useless as I cant afford it. That's almost my rent.
     
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    345,000,000 people KNOW I am dead on right. If they had waited 9 months those 15 million would have all had guarantee issue plans at a third the cost. 34 to 36 states were in the process of enacting guarantee plans and the other would have by year end 2010. thank you Obama. By the way, only 15 million? what happened to the 41 million Obama said were uninsured?
     
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    I'm not familiar with those plans. Maybe a link?
    I think most of the difference in the 41 million was due to the Republicans going to court which allowed some red states to screw their people over my not taking Medicaid coverage.
     
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    A massive bipartisan drug pricing bill.
     
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    Have you looked into getting assistance?
     
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    ...that makes no sense as a talking point.
     
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    Not a healthcare proposal in sight.
     
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    Yes, by a Republican controlled Congress and Republican President, your point? What have the Democrats who ran on it in 2018 sent to him. It's THEIR program what are they doing?
     
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    Did you miss the short term health care changes? Where are the Democrat propsals since that is what they ran on to win back the House?
     

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