Tolerance of GM food is based on ignorance and fear mongering

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  1. Marshal

    Marshal New Member Past Donor

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    The food we eat has been natural for millions of years.

    Before we genetically engineered produce it had high protein, nutrition, that more than made up for lower yields.

    Breeding is NOT the same as gene bombardment with alien species!

    GM food is NOT the same as the natural process of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing and birthing.

    GM food has genetic ramifications we DO NOT understand because the delicate interplay of alien genes in organisms across generations and mutations is still an unexplored territory.

    There is NO NEED fo the US to over-engineer it, it's NOT a problem, other countries with bigger populations have solved the problem BETTER. It's no need for the BIG FAT ASS GREED!!
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Actually the ignorance and fear mongering is coming from the opposition to GM foods not the supporters of them. Potatoes and corn never had protein. Most vegetables other then beans and some legumes don't. If you tried to live strictly on vegetables other than beans and certain legumes you die from a lack of protein.

    Put it this way in order to get protein out of a potato you'd have to genetically engineer it.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, people who don't give a damn one way or the other about GM foods don't give a damn out of fear...that makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Marshal

    Marshal New Member Past Donor

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    No... The fear mongering is that the tiny population of the US somehow needs GM food to survive while the huge populations of India and China do not.

    It is merely a lie perpetrated on the US people by the corporate fat cats to satisfy their greed at the nutritional expense of the humans eating their toxic foodstuffs.

    It is... Greed. That is the only way to describe the US food condition.
     
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    Marshall Golden Rice a GM product is being used in India and China even as we speak. It is preventing several thousand cases of blindness a year due to vitamin A deficiency. Please not rice does not naturally contain vitamin A. Golden rice however has agene from carrots spliced into it and so does contain sufficient quantities of vitamin to prevent blindness caused by the absence of that vitamin from your diet. The pure unbridaled fear and ignorance expressed by the anti GM crowd never ceases to amaze me.
     
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    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1714218,00.html

    China's Genetically Altered Food Boom

    And that article is from 5 years ago.
     
  7. Marshal

    Marshal New Member Past Donor

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    What should amaze you is that the Chinese Government authorizes genetic modification to increase vitamins for the health of its people while the US Government authorizes genetic modification to increase growth hormone production for higher yield greed, and pesticide resistivity for chemical industry profit.
     
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    Obviously you didn't read Tom's article. And golden Rice was first produced by gasp Monsanto.. and they aren't pesticide resistant they are pest resistant. Apprently the only thing you ever read on the subject is conspiracy claptrap by people lke Jeremy Rifkin. And you have the nerve to call people who don't except AGW anti science.
     
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    Corn and potatoes are not high in protein nor do you get complete proteins
    unless you combine them with something, corn and beans for example is
    a good combo.

    - - - Updated - - -

    The lie is in bold, and its from you.
     
  10. Marshal

    Marshal New Member Past Donor

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    That the US people NEED to eat fungus-fish-growth-hormone salmon because that is necessary to feed the population is the lie spouted by the Corporate Chemical Food Industry.

    They have been spouting it every time they appear publicly!

    There is no need, only greed!!

    Be a good communist and agree with me.
     
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    More lies,in bold.

    Nothing would so become your cause as your leaving it.
     
  12. Marshal

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    This is the Ocean Pout fish. It is a FUNGUS FISH (1). That is the friendly name for fish who eat fungus.

    This fish's growth hormone genes were bombarded into the Salmon, creating a Pout/Salmon hybrid.

    The claim that the AquaBounty Technologies company (2) has made for creating a growth hormone salmon is that the growing population needs more food to eat.

    All of my claims in this case are valid.

    Next time you disagree you should state your sources WHY you disagree, really attempt to prove it.

    As it is... I am the only one with sources and credibility, and you simply disagree for no reason and without cause.
     
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    GMO won't solve hunger. It'll just fill the pockets of parasitic companies like Monsanto as they control more and more of the food supply.
     
  14. Marshal

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    Moreover, this encyclopædia source (3) PROVES that the pout fish eats snails, mollusks... What grows on snails and mollusks in the ocean?? FUNGUS. It is a FUNGUS FISH.

    There is also fungus growing all over the fish in the picture. This is the fish whose genes are used in the new US Salmon!!
     
  15. tomfoo13ry

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    Hmmm....

    http://animals.jrank.org/pages/2174/Eelpouts-Relatives-Zoarcoidei-OCEAN-POUT-Zoarces-americanus-SPECIES-ACCOUNTS.html
    Eelpouts and Relatives: Zoarcoidei - Ocean Pout (zoarces Americanus): Species Accounts

    Diet: Ocean pouts graze on the sea floor for crabs, hermit crabs, sea urchins, worms, clams, sea snails, and sea stars.

    http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/sos/spsyn/og/pout/
    Ocean pout (Zoarces americanus)

    The diet consists primarily of invertebrates, with fish being only a minor component
     
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    Fungus grows on everything.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you're a fungus human? All fish are "fungus fish"?
     
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    No... The pout fish isn't like a fungus fish really.

    It is like a slimy eel-like creature.

    I can't be accused of lying for merely being ignorant.
     
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    Well, it isn't known whether you were lying or if you're just ignorant. It is definitely one or the other, I just have no way of knowing which it is even though lying does seem to be the most likely.
     
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    The fungus nature of that fish doesn't support or hinder my argument. It's purely an anecdotal matter.

    If I lied about something one would think I'd choose a lie more strategic to my objectives, I am just saying.

    Whether its an angel fish, or the fish Jesus served 2,000 years ago, I don't want some scientists to use a virus to insert its genes, or however it's done into my food and then not allow me to know if they've done it to my food.

    I don't care if it's the fish of God. That isn't the point or the purpose of my argument. It's the act of doing it and then claiming it's "salmon". It should say "Pout Salmon". Even that label isn't negative.
     
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    I'm not ignorant, nor am I subject to fear mongering. I think GM foods should be available to those who desire them. The transaction doesn't directly coerce anyone.
     
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    I'd call it coercing when hybrid eels are marketed and sold as Salmon and the buyer is NOT ALLOWED to know what he's eating.
     
  23. Marshal

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    How will you know it's GM food? It's unlabeled. If you are looking at 2 strawberries with the desire to choose, to be free, to have choice. The US Government Has so far refused to give you choice.
     
  24. tomfoo13ry

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    If it wasn't germane to your argument then why did you insist that it was so, even though you later claimed that you are ignorant concerning the matter? Why go to such ridiculous lengths to bolster your ignorant claim such as the infantile argument that "Fungus grows on everything"??

    Furthermore, why claim that China and India don't feel the need to implement GM products when it is easily found that they do?

    So either you're ignorant and just shooting off your mouth or you're lying. Either way it severely damages your argument and your credibility.
     
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    I would as well. Instances of fraud are always coercive. You should work to minimize that.

    I don't necessarily buy that. If GM tomatoes were placed in a section marked "tomatoes" I don't see the problem. They are surely tomatoes. The problem is specificity. If you want to have the GM tomatoes specifically labeled to denote their GM properties then you should undertake a public awareness campaign or a boycott. We've been rather successful here in Australia at least in some areas - without the assistance of government our major groceries players have been forced to label their meats as hormone free. Sure, that's a very small step, but in a world with proper consumer activism where the government isn't constantly looked to to provide shelter I can easily see it happening.

    In any case, if you don't like their sales policies don't enter their store. Go somewhere organic. Supermarkets have terrible vegetables anyway.
     

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