Torture and interrogation.

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  1. Brett Nortje

    Brett Nortje Well-Known Member

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    This is when the authorities need to know something that is not forth coming. it is essential in the war on terror and in high profile cases, as, the truth will very important to the authorities.

    A while ago i suggested water boarding was not that bad. it is a shock to the system with no permanent scars, and with no real lasting mental impressions, but, maybe there is a better torture? if there is, what could it be?

    If we were to look at the human body, which all detainees have - people with hidden truths - then there is a great lot of nerves to exploit! if we were to tickle someone, that would get the truth out. simply stroking the nerves would make them tickled, but this is a bit too easy to resist.

    I know in the dark ages they used to keep people from sleeping as a form of torture. maybe this would work?

    How about something we all endure, but do hate the feeling of? maybe solitary confinement somewhere very uncomfortable?

    So, seeing as how it has lasting effects, then we should look elsewhere, yes?

    Maybe some good smells that are good for you, that you hate? how about boiling brussel sprouts nearby? i know one terrible smell is insects, so, if we were to boil insects near them, no real harm, just disgust, then there would be some truth telling?
     
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    I think the issue was not acknowledging these techniques as torture. They don't cause permanent physical damage to the subject, but that's a pretty low bar to judge torture by. Mental, emotional damage can stick to a person just like a scar can.

    I guess I would rather be water boarded than castrated or have my fingers cut off or be blinded and so on.

    The techniques, carried out by trained professionals who adhere to a strict regime, can be effective. If carried out pell mell by guards who have never been trained in their use and who have never worked in a prison environment, it is not just torture, its chaos.
     
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    What if they make a mistake and end up torturing someone who's innocent?

    And if this type of treatment ever does become more prevalent, don't you think that would result in a lot more deadly confrontations with police, if the suspect they are trying to arrest has reason to believe there is a possibility he could be subject to torture? When prisoners do not have any guarantees they will be treated humanely, that is going to create a lot more resistance when law enforcement tries to arrest people.
     
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    I would challenge anyone that does not believe water boarding is torture to allow me to water board their wife or daughter or find a pair and volunteer for a session yourself. I am sure we can adjust your attitude on the topic.
     
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    Sleep deprivation would be a big 'no'. Classic example of a practice that will result in false confessions. You deprive somebody of sleep long enough, and they will 'confess' to anything.
     
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    Non-physically damaging torture techniques including sleep depravation, water boarding, psychotropic drugs, time disorientation, etc... have been used for a long time. Generally with subjects that were intended to be traded back in prisoner exchanges.

    The CIA used to have all sorts of small covert prisons in Europe during the cold war. Some detainees spent years being shuffled from one place to another. Some were apparently innocent. Some disappeared completely as if they never existed.

    Torture and unauthorized detainment are nothing new. Publicly condoning them is. Using them as general practice is completely irresponsible.
     
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    torture of the best kind does not be remembered.
     
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    It's not so much the method as it is the amount of people you can question.

    The French made use of this in Algiers by torturing everyone they could find who may have information they wanted.
     
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    I don't believe in torture and interrogation by any nation.
     
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    about a brainwashed POW, the manchurian candidate came out in 1962.


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