Torture, is it wrong?

Under the right conditions most would condone the use of torture.

 

Not surprisingly, the "family values" crowd seems to be very comfortable with torture -- if it is done to others. They can never put themselves in the others shoes and view an issue form the opposite angle that does not directly involve their own personal well being.

 

I agree. Gotta have time to think about such things. I am sure the boys bombing germany had the time, to think about other things before the flak began and the fighters moved in like wolves. Once the hell begins, you are occupied with other things.

 

Since they never gave anyone trial, we don't have an official finding. But it doesn't make sense to me they would be letting all those folks go if they were guilty of participating in terrorist attacks.

You asserted that most were not innocent. You've failed to offer one shred of evidence to support your claims.

I've posted evidence that over 95% were released. That does not comport with most being not innocent. Others can decide for themselves.

 

All of those are movie scenarios that have a ton of assumptions and do not happen in real life. In nearly all cases you only suspect that someone has the information that you want.

 

You are ABSOLUTELY INNCORRECT. They have done studies with torture doctors, and they have family, friends and are for all intents and purposes, NO DIFFERENT than any other person. They compartmentalize their job.

This is the lesson, MAN IS EVIL, unless persuaded to be moral. And making Nazis for instance, somehow so unlike ourselves we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads about fascism, is foolhardy.

There is sadism, and sociopathy in EVERY ONE OF US. EVEN YOU. Given the right harsh conditions.

 

Do Trump critics warrant the same COMPASSIONATE care during torture, or would you go the EXTRA MILE?

 

This is why we require that GOV step in on justice, so that revenge is not the goal.

We have RULE OF LAW for exactly that reason.

 

That is why YOU aren't the presiding judge, arresting officer or jailer. When your child is murdered. It is called the rule of law. And, it has to do with the social contract.

 

Not real sure what you're saying here, as usual But I can tell you straight up, if it involved a abduction of a close family member and I was positive the person knew where, when and who, I'd TORTURE the hell out of them. And if they lied to me I'd torture them some more, and if I found them dead, then their life would be the stuff horror films are made of!

And I would never ever kill them

 

This right here is that old joke.

Would you take it up the pitoot, for a bazillion dollars? YUP. Would you take it up the pitoot, for a nickel? HEll no, you idiot. WELL, then you are a pitoot taker, all that is concerned is your price.

 

The Milgram experiment showed that it doesn't need harsh conditions, just deference to authority can turn most normal people into torturers. Note that the test subjects even tortured people who had done nothing wrong.

What is concerning, though, is that our resident right wingers seems to advocate for torture without any outside input.

 

Those circumstances don’t exist in the real world. 24 and Taken are not documentaries.

 

Then again we're not talking money, and the word is PAtoot and it has nothing to do with butt sex Caliguy But it's early and we both know you're not at the top of your game until around 10ishm so I'll give you a chance to mellow and think about what scenario would help you over that dreadful line in the sand

 

Making the ASSUMPTION that since 95% were released, therefore they are innocent, does not constitute evidence in any manner, shape, or form.

I make the assumption that Obama released 95% of them because he desperately wanted to close Gitmo, and their guilt or innocence did not come into the equation. For me to claim that my assumption is EVIDENCE however, WOULD be utterly preposterous. For you to claim your assumption to be evidence is in FACT preposterous. Assumptions are fair game, but calling them evidence is not.

 

So you don't think there are abduction and it is a myth, and those rare occasion IT DOES happens only involves orphans with no one that cares about them?

Are all liberals this naïve or are you a special case?

 

Have you ever been wrong about something your were “positive” you knew before?

 

I get your point, but it doesn't change mine, like I said, I'd not kill

 

When kidnappers abduct people, especially children, they are either ransomed and released or killed within 24 hours. And kidnappers are never caught independent of the location where the abductee is located when the abductee is still alive.

 

But you would torture a potentially innocent person and keep doing it until they told you what you wanted to hear, even if it wasn’t true, in which case you would torture them more for lying.

How is torture “working” in that case?

 

Who else can raise so much cat dander with opinion alone?

After 10ish, I go kill ALLLLLLLLLL my enemies in Counterstrike. But, I do retire early every night, as I have a limited amount of energy.

 

Well then, lets do it your way and just worry, cry and get over it! Dang you Libs are structured pacifists, that or have an excuse to do nothing in even the most tragic circumstances

 

YOUR VICTIM would scream and beg for you to kill him, but you are too selfish. Only thinking of yourself.

 

I know, Life of Riley via social California

 

Or we could use non-torture interrogation techniques that actually work and don’t risk torturing innocent people when we turn out to be wrong when we thought we were “positive”.