Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    He's making more than a commission. He is making a big profit. He was awarded the contract ahead of other bidders yet he is being portrayed as a saint by many. There has been a bit of a backlash against the award of the contract because he doesn't pay taxes in the UK and was a loud supporter of Brexit.
     
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    Was the 6' rule applied in the parking lot and the doorways? Was every surface sanitized after each person touched it? Was everyone issued with a PPE?

    Let me put this into perspective with a hypothetical scenario. Your grandmother tells you that she wants to attend an Easter service at your local Mega-church where there will be thousands of other people. They will come and fetch her and bring her back again afterwards. When she returns she could bring the virus back into your home and infect you. Do her 1A rights override your rights?
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Or that Asimov book about Solaria.
     
  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OUR CHILDREN

    You aint gonna like what I have to so, but I'm saying it anyway.

    What was going on BEFORE COVID-19 and what happens after does not change. It's not the sickness that is changing fundamentally our lives. That is, those of us who will survive. It is "what happens next?"

    Because Fundamental Change is upon humanity - once again. It happened in the 19th century when the steam-engine forced workers off farmland and into factories. Thus creating the Industrial Age. This time it's gone much further, but it is very much the same kind of reason.

    We are entering the Information Age with the Internet. And it changes fundamentally the way most of us will work. Already, in the US, "Industry" (meaning Hard Industry like automotive) employs barely 12% of the American workforce. All the rest is a hodgepodge we call "Services". And at the heart of those services is the Internet - a highly communicative tool that we all employ nowadays.

    The sooner we put that Key Economic Factor well inscribed within that part under our bonnet, the better we understand the future as our children will live it ...
     
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    Haha. Bringing up religion is about as far away from "tracking the virus" as bringing in politics, but your introduction of a religious-focused post got me curious about what sort of beliefs that church teaches. The leader has a Pentecostal upbringing, so faith-healing and thinking that 1) their faith makes them immune, and if not that then 2) laying of hands will cure them.

    Anyway, the minister went to the police station to pay his bail and was back a home streaming live yesterday. I watched about 15 minutes to see how he was possibly defending continuing to have his congregation show up in person. He is making a point that a church gathering is just as "essential" as purchasing food, or going to Home Depot or Lowe's, or any number of other things that the government is deeming "essential". I believe most of the more mainstream denominations would disagree, as they have moved to streaming their teachings without any ruckus. With modern technology, churches are certainly not "locked down", so they are in no way prevented from spreading their message.

    To your current religious point of giving to Caesar what is Caesar's, that refers to paying taxes. The minister made a point that if the government had told the disciples to stop spreading the word, they would not have complied. In the Old Testament, Daniel refused to worship an Egyptian image and refused to stop praying to his God. He was cast into a den of lions to be killed, but he survived without a scratch.

    And the other religious point you have introduced about Jeshua. Jesus did say that He came to add to the law, not take from it. He was speaking of the Ten Commandments handed directly from God to Moses on Mt. Sinai, not to man's laws.

    I am not defending the minister's actions and think he's an idiot for exposing his congregation to unnecessary risk of contagion, but the man probably does have a legal defense under "man's laws".

    Thanks again, for the daily postings of the tracking data. I continue to find it quite valuable.
     
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    I've been thinking of New Jersey as New York's conjoined twin and have been totally the two states' numbers against the rest of the country.
     
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    Yes. So many workplaces will be seen as unnecessary. Fewer face to face interactions are necessary.
     
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    LIFE & LIVING

    Sorry, but if you think America will "get back" to where it was before, then you'd best think again.

    What happened was a glitch on the future that is happening very quickly nowadays, and it is fundamental. No, not Covid-19 - we'll get past that well enough.

    It is the fact that something very fundamental is happening to not just us but the world and it has to do very-much with the way we all work. That is, we have embarked upon the Information Age, which will be the main supplier of jobs in the future. Howzat?

    Economies are funny-things. They keep going along even though often fundamental changes happen. WW2 was like that, it brought some very new technologies to the market-place that the war had prompted. It changed the way we work and live.

    This time around the change is of a higher amplitude. Because the world is in full transition from the Industrial Age to the Information Age. Howzat?

    My parents worked most of their lives in the plastic-industries that were a fundamental economic cornerstone of our post-WW2 economy. That's mostly gone to China today.

    The fundamental work-criteria have shifted to the Internet. And for that to function best in terms of careers, it is something called a post-secondary education that becomes a key-necessity.

    And if you don't "have it", you're fit for flipping hamburgers at Mcdonalds and sedentary work of a lesser-skilled nature.

    MY POINT?
    *This "thing" happening to us will merely accelerate the swift passage into the Information Age. Those jobs that we had, up until this "happening", are going/gone and I fear they are gone forever. I don't see anybody hiring into a certain level of work that is now definitely over.
    *Of course, I could be dead-wrong - but I did want to make a point about what is happening today and what it means for the future of our economies.
    *Which is this: We are undergoing an "accelerator-factor" that otherwise would not have happened had Covid-19 not entered our lives. Game-rules have been altered.

    Life&living is curiously strange that way ...
     
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    Neither would I "defend" them. Whyzzat?

    Because religion is like any other good/service (admittedly more the latter than the former). People (representing "God") pitch it at the level they think will function best.

    It's called Religious Marketing. The best religions do not need "ministers". They live based upon their principles, not strategies.

    Or they die. And many have done just that ...
     
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    Philosophically speaking, rights don't override other rights. Realistically, you'd want for the 14 day self quarantine and then if after 14 days nothing happens, then it's pretty safe to say she's in the clear. The point being, this pastor didn't anymore "endanger" anyone, then you or I. It's their choice to attend, and their choice to accept the risks with attending. That's what the framers would've believed.

    Instead, if we arrest people for hosting events and if we act like the Italian mayor(who laughably wanted to stop a ping pong game that was outside.), we will find that America will be harder to fight for.
     
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    Well, this is Europe where I live, and from my POV there is "lock-down" and then there is "lock-down".

    Meaning this:
    *The French government evidently knew what it was doing when it "locked-down" into their residences all workers (except select groups).That was three weeks ago.
    *But the Parisian airports have just shut. Meaning that if anyone wanted to escape over the past three weeks, they could have gone back to the countries from which they came.

    Nuance ...
     
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    USA fascist cities are arresting folks if caught leaving their house ??
    I agree with the lock down but soon they will be shooting them
     
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    Nice posting. Uhm, I don't think life is going to be the same at all after this catastrophe.
     
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    The first US military death because of COVID-19 has been reported.
     
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    We have a right to work as well, though that is so obvious that it is not specifically in the Constitution. That minister is already set up with a billion dollar global tele-ministry, so most of his "flock" isn't even in Florida. He is trying to make a 1st Amendment point (and obviously 2nd Amendment as well), but his judgment is very poor right now.
     
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    For "right now" though. When this is over, when we're over this in say 2021 or so the various powers that state governments granted themselves and the restrictions are going to have court hearings and open public discussion on forums like this.
     
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    This video shows the crowd size at the church last Sunday and also has commentary both in defense of the church's rights and commentary on the rights of the general public safety. There was apparently a Supreme Court decision against the church in 1905 when a minister did not want the congregation to get small pox vaccines. The ruling was that public health was more important.

     
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    Belgium has reported 192 new COVID-19 deaths today. A relatively small nation.
     
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    Just posting that FTR since it is virtually 800,000 worldwide and the USA is 20% of all cases.
     
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    So, today at 13:16 my time in Germany (07:16 AM on the East Coast of the USA), we crossed over 800,000 COVID-19 cases:

    2020-03-031 COVID-19 now over 800000 002.png
    2020-03-031 COVID-19 now over 800000.png
     
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    It breaks the heart to instinctively know that out of that crowd of worshippers, packed closely together inside a mega-church, that a number of them will be dead by this time next month. That's not conjecture. That will end up being fact. It really breaks the heart. It really breaks MY heart.
     
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    And for no better reason than an asinine political grandstanding stunt given that this was litigated more than 100 years ago and the SCOTUS ruled that public safety overrides individual rights.
     
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    https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/8205...n-in-other-countries?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    So a really short NPR article on Germany's success, relative to the rest of the world/international community. The real benefit to massive extensive testing, is that the number X=unknown cases is relatively small to the Germans. They're able to isolate those who are affected much more quickly, and thereby also preserve the healthier population of Germans.

    They accomplished this because their health institute did not put any restrictions on private labs, whereas Trump needed to use his executive authority to accomplish the same thing. Honestly, the argument over centralization vs de centralized is ancient and old as dirt. Obviously for the Germans, this was highly efficient but it was highly efficient in part because they had competence across the board.

    Sometimes, that's not the case and mid-level management suffers, in which case centralization is better. Maybe a middle ground would be to apply both principles based on the logistics of the organization or operation in question.
     
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    This is the same Trump Hater who has recommended that the daily briefings not be broadcast because all Trump does is spread disinformation. Who listens to these haters ??

    Meanwhile Daniel Dae Kim credits the Trump disinformation for his rapid recovery from the Corona virus:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...l-drug-secret-weapon-against-coronavirus.html

    All the CNN/MSNBC "reporters" like Jim Acosta who attend the daily briefings seem capable of doing is to compose "out of context quote" gotcha questions. I thoroughly enjoy Trump's dressing down of these people.
     
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    If you told me that if I lay down on train tracks with my legs across a rail, my chances of surviving would be very high, and if I'm just stupid enough, scared enough and in awe of you enough to believe it, yes it's your fault.
     

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