Trans Athlete Severely Injures Girls Volleyball Player With Spike — District Forfeits Games For Girl

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    you've responded to me on this subject for several days though I understand that my discussion with you is captivating you

    If I didn't lose the argument respond to this message.
     
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    But you did lose the argument. lol
    It remains to be my scientific source vs your puny backward opinion.
     
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  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Respond to this post if I won the argument.
     
  4. mudman

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    https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...dge-after-year-hormone-therapy-study-n1252764

    https://studyfinds.org/transgender-women-sports/

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...n-advantage-sport-say-UK-sports-councils.html

    Keep telling us all how the science is on your side.

    If you had a clue about this subject you'd never claim it's fair as there's plenty of research out there that shows that no, it isn't fair, even past 1 year of hormone therapy.

    Now I guess it's time for you to be anti science.....I look forward to it.
     
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    What about it? First source says:
    Summary The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

    The IOC used to demand 2 years of hormonal therapy. But they lowered it to just 1 year after testing.
    Your source says the transgenders only have a 9% runspeed, but the strength is gone.
    And at the end of everything there is more to it than just runspeed, and also raw strength. Endurance is also a happy thing.

    Your argument is mute.
    So far no transgender was able to win a gold.
    I know of a weightlifter who finished dead last.

    The only transgender ever who won an Olympic gold, is a transgender who is born as a woman and plays among women.
     
  6. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Not inferior. Just not equal, on average, in terms of strength.

    This is hard?
     
  7. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    I like it when they say "Trans women are women. PERIOD!!!"
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Then what does it do?
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Now you've done it.
     
  10. mudman

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    I proved you wrong. You just don't like it and are trying to spin it.

    They have an advantage, it's been shown in research as I documented.

    And the weightlifter was last because of disqualification, not because they didn't have a huge strength advantage. Also, Hubbard was 43 years old. That alone suggests that being a biological male was a big advantage as no biological female that age was able to make the olympics in weightlifting.

    You have no argument here. You thought you had the science and I proved you didn't. Then you try to spin and throw out 1 olympian which actually supports my argument instead of yours.

    Time to try another thread, this one didn't end well for you.
     
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    makes you gain weight, lose mussels, lowers amount of red blood cells, lowers bone density.
     
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    With what? All you got a is a speed advantage.
    An athlete needs more than just speed. It needs endurance and strength. And you're shunning
    And low levels of testosterone makes you gain weight, lose mussels, lowers amount of red blood cells, lowers bone density.

    The Olympic Committee knows this, and lowered the timespan a trans needs from 2 years to 1 year of hormonal treatment, to have a fair competition.
    And you're shunning this too.

    Because the transgender couldn't lift the 1st weight!!! lol

    Your source says the same thing as my source. You're just eyeballing speed, not strength or endurance.
     
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    Putting aside the sociology and the politics, doesn't that strike you as unhealthy?

    <muscles>
     
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    Probably way less bad than smoking.
     
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    So......they have an advantage. And they maintained a significant advantage in 1.5 mile run times....kinda speaks to an endurance advantage too.

    And hubbard lifted the 2nd weight (which was an increase of 5 kg over the first attempt) but got disqualified because hubbard thought the weight was lifted but they judged it to not be complete. So how about you stop the narrative and be honest. A 43 yr old biological male was an olympic weight lifter competing against biological females that were 20 years younger. Again, hubbard makes my point, not yours. Also, Hubbard's performance in the olympics isn't the only evidence. Hubbard, who again is 43, broke women's records. How is it possible that someone well past their physical peak is able to do that?...easy, because hubbard has physical advantages from being a biological male.

    You are still wrong here and the science AND anecdotal evidence illustrates it.
     
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    Well that's not much of an endorsement for transitioning.
     
  17. notme

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    I dunno how you think have less blood cells / less endurance is going to be an advantage on a 1.5 mile run.
    It all revolves around if you think you know sports, hormones, blood samples, urine samples better than WADA and the Olympic Committee.
    Because they see no problem with it.
     
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    Yeah so. People are free to make poor life choices all the time.
     
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    Not when I become King. You'll see.
     
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    like some prince tried in Germany?
    Yeah, .... poor life choices.
     
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    No, by popular acclaim.
     
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    Men have advantages over women in virtually every department that is involved in physical sports. Speed, strength, endurance, etc. Men also have a better bone structure for sports. Allowing men to participate in womens sports, regardless of hormonal or surgical transition is to allow a massive advantage over women into their own divisions.

    Not only is this common sense. It’s also what all available data demonstrates.

    No anecdote changes this reality.
     
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    These committees are ideologically driven, not factually or scientifically driven.
     
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    to put any man up against a woman, in any sport, is sexist against women. Physically, Men have more God given strength then women. It's just anatomy. It's how we were born. There's even "Science" in it.
     
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    Do you frequently need strength in the restrooms you visit? You didn’t answer the question:
    How often do you see male genitalia in the restrooms you are visiting?

    Are you sure you are visiting the restroom and not something else?
     

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