"Trans" Tinder date stomped to death

Race isn't biological.

Neuroticism about ethnic background is not the same as being heterosexual.

 

To some people it absolutely is.
It is still lying — deceit, would you consider that sexual assault?

 

It's not genetic. There is nobody for which it would be genetic.

If you lie to someone in order to sexually assault them that's different than lying to them to get them to have sex with you.

Would it be characteristic of a heterosexual to have sex with someone of the same sex?

 

Irrelevant, genetics is not a factor in deceit.

But you are the one calling this sexual assault because of the deception.

We have no idea of the sexual orientation of Isimemen. Some reports are going as far as to say Smith did disclose he was trans on Tinder. Others say he was a catfish. We are taking the word of a murderer because of the lack of evidence.

Would it be characteristic of a racist to have sex with someone of the ethic background they detest?

Or does it only become sexual abuse if you disagree with what was lied about? Strange you were trying to “understand” why a man would shatter every bone in someones face and leave them choking on their own blood but you cannot seem to even fathom some people having racial hangups…

 

never claimed they were so okay.

yes lying about certain things should be considered sexual assault for when you're sex if you're having a heterosexual encounter and you lie to the woman about using protection that should be considered sexual assault it's not the same as lying about darbitrary nonsense.

So figure that out and then your argument will have merit

Racist isn't a sexuality. So not sure how those two things are even closely related.

I'm sorry I don't view all lies as equal.

I said I understand the rage, not that I was trying to understand anything.

I don't know why you keep insisting on this straw man policy I corrected you once already when you claimed I was defending his actions is it impossible for you to argue in good faith do you have to mischaracterize everyone who doesn't agree in lockstep with you?

 

Race is not arbitrary to many people. Just because you disagree that it is an issue doesn’t mean it isn’t.

If someone lied about their race would you consider that sexual assault?

It doesn’t matter, deceit is the common thread.

Can you understand how anyone could be as upset they were lied to about someone’s race?

Yet you cannot understand the “rage” in other examples… That just seems strange…

I would be careful saying “it is impossible for others to argue in good faith” — especially when they are quoting your exact words. You said you had an “understanding why someone would be angry”. I am just acknowledging inconsistencies.

I don’t care if others don’t agree in lockstep with me, I do care when their arguments are cognitively dissonant. If you make a good point I will acknowledge it.

Let’s leave the personal attacks out of the conversation, think you can handle that?

 

Race is Arbitrary universally. The classification of race is based on nothing but arbitrary characteristics.

If anyone wants to think otherwise they would be incorrect.

races arbitrary therefore nobody can lie about it.

yes it's just stupid because you're placing importance on arbitrary nonsense.

Sex is biological race is not

I'm sorry you don't understand that not all lies are equal.

So you didn't see me type the word "trying"

You didn't quote my exact words I know what I said. If there are inconsistencies feel free to point them out. I'm not perfect and I will clear them up for you.

So what's with the strawman fallacy?

If you take my attack on your argument personally that's your business but it's not a personal attack.

 

All of this is irrelevant, your argument thus far is it is rape, later changed to sexual assault (even though it didn’t involve force — although you did acknowledge that legalistic arguments do not matter to you, rape and sexual assault are legal arguments) due to deceit…

I never said you typed the word “trying”

”it impossible for you to argue in good faith” is a personal attack, I really don’t care one way or another as I have engaged with you numerous times — just trying to help you prolong your stay here.

The inconsistency is that what is arbitrary to you isn’t arbitrary to others, nor is the severity of a lie (which is why we have legal definitions instead of each case being determined by emotion alone). If — and that has still not be proven — this man posed as a woman some people wouldn’t care; race to others is very important, wealth is another area, or fertility or tons of other classifications — some have said the legal system should be lenient because the act of deceit somehow lessens a murder. I simply disagree.

 

sometimes legal definitions are inadequate if you didn't know this that's why we have a legislative process. That's why legalistic arguments are flawed.

but you did say I was trying to do something and I'm not so I corrected you you were mistaken. You don't have to admit it just let it go.

I'm sorry you take things personally but that isn't about you personally. Do not cry to me I'm not sorry and I don't care.

I didn't mention anything that was arbitrary to me. Categorizing people by race it's arbitrary factually speaking.

If it's not arbitrary to you you are incorrect.

This isn't an opinion.

Yes some people care about arbitrary nonsense it doesn't make it any less arbitrary.

There's nothing you should give anybody the right to assault someone because of arbitrary nonsense to whether they care about it or not.

Again this is an arbitrary just to me it is arbitrary on the basis of fact.

Things like sex and age aren't arbitrary we can measure these and determine them factually. You cannot do this with race

 

It absolutely involves lack of consent.

 

I'm not defending murder, I'm condemning sexual assault.

 

Quite sure husbands were once believed that the idea of marital rape was 'nonsense', too.

 

No, because she agreed to have sex with THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, not someone entirely different.

 

No, because he consented to have sex with HER, not someone entirely different.

 

Legally, he consented
https://www.roanokecriminalattorney.com/how-does-virginia-define-consent/

This isn’t sexual assault though which is the issue. This is a legal gray area and it definitely doesn’t justify murder

 

I don't see your logic. Lying is lying. Tricking is tricking. If we opt to make it "rape" when presenting something false with the intent of having sex, then the law will cover the lie not gender.

 

I am arguing the law, you are arguing your opinion

I don’t have to “let anything go” it was a direct quote.

You should also look up the definition of arbitrary before you try and use it in a sentence

 

What is disturbing to me is everyone is just automatically assuming this piece of human filth is the bastion of integrity and honesty, taking his word at face value with no evidence.

Almost like personal biases are playing a roll and not that they care about deceit.

 

Black? An American Black or African Black? Because they aren't the same thing. And why would it make a difference? Any normal person regardless of their ethnicity would be incensed.

I'd go with involuntary manslaughter, 18 months suspended sentence.

It's called fraudulent misrepresentation. It could never be right.

 

Yeah...I hear yah. I think it would be devastating for some people to be tricked like that. But I think by reinventing the killer as the "victim" ...you have to drastically devalue the life of the guy killed. And in rule of law we don't treat victims who are prostitutes differently then CEOs or gangsters murdered differently then small business owners. The law doesn't reflect to take in consideration perceived value of victim. And it shouldnt.

 

You aren't arguing the law, you are stating it and I didn't disagree.

I'm not arguing my opinion.

then fuss about it too your heart's delight. I will not respond to your crying about it any more.

I'm using it correctly.

 

Agreed, what Smith is accused of doing is despicable but I don’t see how it could be construed as a crime — “lying to solicit sex”, I have girlfriends that put on enough makeup to be unrecognizable and guy friends that lie about their careers wealth and “endowment”.

Rape by deceit would have highly unintentional consequences

 

Ah, I have missed your debate strategy.
So… fascinating

Think you will stay around longer this time?

 

Not sure I latch on to what smith did was wrong. He deems himself as "woman" and society is saying that he is and should be treated as "woman". That is what he's being told by society and activists, companies, elites. He is being affirmed as woman.

He probably didn't think he was tricking anyone. But it doesn't matter. His life is valuable --even if he was being fraudulent. He wasn't harming anyone or taking a life. The guy who killed him, killed him because he devalued a life enough to grind it onto the earth. Cold hearted killer. I have zero sympathy. His reasons are more his insecurity then real.

 

yes sticking to the facts is a good one.

why, are you worried?