Transcript of George Floyd's murder prove that he was cooperating

Then he failed to obey the lawful orders of a law enforcement officer.

Then walk a mile in a policeman's shoes.

 

The subject is police brutality by excessive force which led to a murder. The stat you cite mentions 'unarmed' black men. Many persons are found armed, sometimes this is in contravention to the positive law (which is itself in contravention of the Constitution but I digress) but it in no way shape or form merits their execution at the scene absent very particular circumstances. Certainly no one is amenable to deadly force while restrained and presenting no imminent threat to life or limb since he is restrained. Certainly not ten minutes worth, some of which occurs after a pronouncement that no vital signs are present. The oft repeated stat of "only 8 unarmed black men killed by police" is about as good as the misconduct convictions stat: The issue is that no one trusts the reporting in the first place, nor does the stat get you where you want to go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Holtzclaw

^ that took a full 30 seconds to find and is only a single example.

You understand that in most states a cop can **** a woman in custody and then let her go right? And that's not a crime in those jurisdictions, despite his position of coercion by color of law?

Have you really never encountered a corrupt official? Never been to new orleans and had to pay a "fee"? My sweet summer child.

 

He actually has a right to the cop's name and badge number. Supervisor as well and professional contact information for both. Generally accomplished with a business card if the officer is professional.

Sure, and having done so I can tell you that you don't sit on a dude's neck for 10 minutes, some of that time after you knew he was flatlined, then not catch a case.

 

And all or most of that "police brutality" would not have happened, if they had followed the orders of law enforcement or resisted arrest.

I am not sure how long I have repeated this. Obviously, in the case of Floyd, it should not have happened and the policeman needs to stand trail.

 

And despite the minor resistance offered, deadly force was in no way shape or form authorized thus its employment constitutes a felony level crime. Since that felony level crime led to a homicide, it qualifies for Felony Murder which is nested under Murder 2 in MN. See how that works?

Obviously in the case of numerous dead persons it should not have happened and the police officer needs "to stand tr[ial]", would be the overarching point. This is simply a case where it was particularly public and particularly egregious, and also on tape not controlled by the PD, and so it is the proverbial "squeaky wheel" getting greased. The entire machine needs an overhaul, not just that one gear.

My problem being that you air quote police brutality and call imply it is necessary or obligatory leading to a disconnect where despite you saying the officers in Floyd's case deserve trial its rather clear you don't think them guilty of anything. If you thought them guilty you wouldn't be sarcasm quoting the term and you wouldn't be characterizing it as necessary or obligatory.

 

Don't disagree.

However, Floyd resisted arrest. This would not have happened had he not resisted arrest.
See how that works?

 

Were these cops following the law it would not have happened even though he was offering some minor resistance. The fact that they employed deadly force on a subject not an imminent threat to anyone makes their use of force a crime.
See how that works?

Certainly once they had him in the car he was no threat to them and therefore deadly force is in no way shape or form authorized. All they had to do was leave him in the car with the AC on and wait the 10 minutes it took for the ambulance to get there. That's it. Instead Chauvin decides he needs Floyd out of the car and face down while he sits on his carotid and 2 other officers help. For his safety.

 

Floyd is a separate case. However, I would not call the one at Wendy's "minor resistance"
See how that works?

 

Floyd is the subject of this thread. Mr. Brooks is not, though I will stipulate that a man escaping with a spent taser does not present an imminent threat of harm to the officers or the public sufficient to shoot him in the back. The fleeing felon rule is very particular in its application, a spent taser in analogous to a spent firearm one you know to be empty that a suspect picks up and points at you. The average person without that particularized knowledge you have would think justified shoot, you would know that you murdered someone.

 

Here's a tip: never respond to a post before you understand what it's about.

 

Bottom line. Not resisting saves lives.

 

Bottom line: Officers using deadly force willy nilly without proper cause is murder.

 

That is nearly always preceded by resisting arrest or not following orders.

 

All instances of which do not per se rise to the justification of deadly force. When they do not but deadly force is still employed, the party at fault is the police officer who just murdered a citizen by using excessive force leading to their death.
The party at fault for a murder is the murderer.

 

If the law enforcement officer feels threatened or believes the suspect is a threat to other people, he is allowed to use deadly force. Whether that is justified is not based on what is determined after hours and days of reviewing the evidence. It is based on what a reasonable officer would do under the same circumstances. That is according to a supreme court ruling. It is all too easy to find alternatives after hours of study while the law enforcement decision is required in less than a second.

Once the suspect starts resisting, it tends to head down a path which is very likely to end in disaster.

You are trying to put law enforcement in the position of never responding to any resistance or failure to obey orders. That will never work. They would never be able to arrest anyone who decides they do not want to be arrested.

The seven hundred and fifty thousand law enforcement officers stop or arrest hundreds of thousands per day. Only about one per day leads to death. Generally nothing happens because the suspect does not resist. .

Refusal to admit that the suspects are in no way responsible is an unacceptable bias.

 

Emphasis mine of course. And in numerous cases, as in the OP, the victim did not present a level of resistance sufficient for a reasonable officer to find them an imminent threat sufficient to employ deadly force on. Certainly slowly mechanically asphyxiating a person for 10 or so agonizing minutes is never justified.

False attribution. I am in no way saying they can't respond. I have only said that without an actual imminent threat, deadly force is not authorized and using it is murder in those particular circumstances.

I'm simply stating the law: You are not responsible if someone commits a crime against you, even if they are a cop and you're offering some token resistance and the force they use on you in response is excessive. They have an independent duty not to use excessive force that exists even when you offer token resistance. Their violation of that independent duty is THEIR fault, legally speaking not yours, as token resistance does not make it open season.

 

There is no question that is true.

However, in nearly every case, they started out by resisting. That is a lesson that needs to be taught. Not just excused by saying law enforcement is solely responsible by over reacting. .

By the way, when they resist or fail to follow the orders of law enforcement, they are breaking the law.

 

And simply resisting does not merit execution. Neither does the fact that resisting is an additional charge make them somehow amenable to a field execution Commissar (A warhammer 40k reference, not a commie reference).

 

What is your objective?

If it is to be "right", then blame it on the police, but that will not save lives.

I don't care how good the police are, if they resist, it increases the chances of the encounter ending in tragedy. Either that or you will end up with a totally ineffective police department that is not allowed to arrest someone once they start resisting.

Again, what is your objective?

 

Ahh he was resisting

You Washington post leaves out key details and then totally contradicts itself as it to confirms the passenger in the car urged Floyd to stop resisting. He was NOT cooperative as they try to report. And yes he complained he could breath long before he was on the ground and while he was yelling a screaming proving he could move air in and out of his lungs. The NPR article leaves out entirely that he was complaining about shortness of breath long before he was on the ground. Both are either shoddy journalisim or purposeful lies of ommission.

"When officers first approached Mr. Floyd—who was sitting in his car—on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill, he wouldn’t immediately show his hands, so Mr. Lane drew his weapon, but put it away after Mr. Floyd complied, according to the filings. Still, Mr. Floyd wouldn’t get out of the car.

“Please don’t shoot me, Mr. Officer. Please, don’t shoot me man,” Mr. Floyd said, according to a transcript of body camera footage.

“Step out and face away. I’m not shooting. Step out and face away,” Mr. Lane said.

“OK, OK, OK. Please. Please, man. Please. Please,” Mr. Floyd said.

“Get out of the car,” Mr. Lane said.

“Stop resisting Floyd!” said one of the other passengers in the car."

And then once again proving he was having a cardiac event

"As officers tried to get Mr. Floyd to walk to a squad car, he repeatedly said he couldn’t breathe and was claustrophobic...... """

BEFORE he was even on the ground. He WAS breathing but he was not pumping blood through his lungs to oxygenate it and remove the CO2 so he felt like he could not breath. CLASSIC cardiac event.

"When officers finally got him inside the car, Mr. Floyd began to thrash and hit his head against the glass inside the squad car, causing his mouth to bleed, the new filing says.""
He began resisting again and getting violent this after he was already complaining about not being able to breath he even injured himself and that is the blood that was report, he caused it himself.

"Officers called an ambulance because of the bleeding and then held Mr. Floyd down on the ground because they believed he would injure himself further if he wasn’t restrained, according to the filing."

Yep, they had to restrain him because he was INJURING HIMSELF.

"“I can’t breathe,” Mr. Floyd said at one point while he was on the ground.

“You’re fine, you’re talking fine,” said officer J. Alexander Kueng, according to a transcription of body camera footage.

“I’m through, I’m through. I’m claustrophobic. My stomach hurts. My neck hurts. Everything hurts. Need some water or something, please. Please? Can’t breathe officer,” Mr. Floyd said, adding later: “You’re going to kill me, man.”

“Then stop talking, stop yelling, it takes a heck of a lot of oxygen to talk,” Mr. Chauvin replied."

The cardiac event continues while he still struggles

"When Mr. Floyd stopped kicking, Mr. Lane, a rookie, asked if they should move him on his side, speculating that he was in a state of “excited delirium,” according to the documents."

He was a dead man before he hit the ground it was just a matter of minutes as his heart was unable to properly pump the blood. As the autopsy said it was a cardiac event not murder.

Any attorney worth his salt is going to raise reasonable doubt based on the evidence. They will put cardiac specialist on the stand who will testify his death started before he was restrained on the ground. The jury will have to deliberate based on those facts, there is HIGH reasonable doubt Floyd was going to die standing up or on the ground it was his heart that had given out not anything the officers did. A charge of abuse, yes but then they had to restrain hims. Murder, this is a gross overcharge and the officers deserve justice.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/attorn...abetting-charges-in-floyd-killing-11594227638

 

And was experiencing a classic symptom of going into cardiac arrest, shortness of breath, BEFORE he was being restrained on the ground.

 

The witness in the car pleaded for him not to resist the police.

 

“I think you’re going to kill me”. Says the potential victim.
OH well then just go home..............

What was actually happened

"When officers first approached Mr. Floyd—who was sitting in his car—on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill, he wouldn’t immediately show his hands, so Mr. Lane drew his weapon, but put it away after Mr. Floyd complied, according to the filings. Still, Mr. Floyd wouldn’t get out of the car.

“Please don’t shoot me, Mr. Officer. Please, don’t shoot me man,” Mr. Floyd said, according to a transcript of body camera footage.

“Step out and face away. I’m not shooting. Step out and face away,” Mr. Lane said."

NOT what you said.

 

Hey Mr. Criminal you are under arrest would you please call us when you agree to be arrested and it is convenient for you.........................geez

 

Why the diversion off the topic?