Treatment of terror suspects as enemy combatants...

Blame the progressives who gave us the 14th amendment

 

After living for four decades or so in an area of the nation that is mainly Cubans and now sharing a bed and a home with one of them you might have a point as my Cuban know she can !@#$ with me and get away with it.

We need to deport all of them.

 

So let me see if I got this straight: There's terrorist propaganda/recruitment videos online, and you think a "large percent of the readers of such material are doing it out of curiosity with no plan of becoming terrorists". The statement's an oxymoron on its face: If they have curiosity, why WOULDN'T they be planning to become terrorists

And so, out of the interest of those "students studying terrorism" we should leave these sites open? No! And I do have a Constitutional Argument regarding this issue. It's well known that you cannot use the First Amendment to "yell fire in a crowded theater" or to incite a riot, OR to spread terrorist propaganda!

I haven't a doubt the SCOTUS would make that slight adjustment to add terrorism and all that it means to the list. And I feel like I don't even have to wait for such a said ruling. We can take that action today.

 

Of course there should, and as soon as possible. They should be regarded not only as combatants but as traitors, and dealt with as such. But it will never happen.

 

I never hear of charging an owner of say a dirty book with a crime only the sellers, manufacturer and authors but what the hell anything is possible if Trump become president.

As far as needing to be a terrorist or a racist to have such books and find them interesting then I must be both a left winger and a right winger as I have Hitler book mein kampf and the communist manifesto along with the very racist book The Turner Diary that was the blue print for Timothy McVeigh attack on the Oklahoma Federal building.

I could go on but unlike you I find even disagreeable books interesting even those the Turner Diary was so bad I needed to try a few times before I could read the whole book.

Footnote the Christian bible is right up there with disagreeable books with Moses ordering a whole people including the infants in their mother arms kill only saving the young girls who had yet to know a man.

In any case I think you and people like you still will run into a problem with the SC in your desire to lock up people like myself for daring to have materials that you do not agree with in our personal libraries. See below.

 

Now with the internet any government ban on materials even if the SC would allow it will not work. Hell even such countries as China had not been able to completely block materials they do not care for.

Servers with materials that is ban can be anywhere in the world and hidden by using tor hidden services and anyone who wish to tap into such materials can do so by once more using the tor network from anywhere in the world.

Footnote the US government had been pressuring other nations to take down torrent websites that allow copyright materials to be traded in fact
getting one operator deported to the US to face US copyright laws.

Guess what a number of torrent websites are already moving to the darknet by way of tor hidden services.

 

The problem with Purists lies in their obstinate ways and refusal to adjust their views for the times we live in. I note that in the Georgia case, he was referring to pornographic material, which while it may be controversial for some and perhaps perverse, our very human nature is to procreate. Provided it depicts legal sexual material, indeed said material shouldn't be affected.

But yes, I'd argue that kiddy porn and the likes of that is in the same boat as terrorist propaganda. You note political books such as Hitler's Mein Kempf and other controversial works from the Communist viewpoint, etc. Well, as long as you're not planning in killing off a race(Jewish people) or on a violent coup, then by all means you can read political books, since the material is non-harmful in of itself. It's only what you act on, that's important.

In my opinion, if you view terrorist propaganda or instructions on building a weapon, there's but one intention you have: To commit terrorism. That curiosity is a curiosity we can do without. It's not the power to control men's minds, it's the power to prevent radical terrorism from growing here at home.

Actions CAN god-forbid be taken, under the principled belief of a philosophy. I am conscious of our liberties, but I am even more conscious of the need to protect said liberties.

 

You are right even with Trump it will never happen.

footnote after President Lincoln was killed his murderers minus Booth who was killed by soldiers was given to the military and a military sentence them to death by hanging however a damn federal judge order a stay as with the war over they should had been try in a civil court not a military one.

Johnson needed to suspend the writ of habeas corpus for the whole nation until they was hung as a result.

So even after a civil war and a president being killed it was barely possible to hang the killers of Lincoln by way of a military court.

 

Nonsense as the theory behind the punishment for having kiddy porn is that having the films and pictures out there is to continually harm the victims and that thinking does not apply to something like Inspire magazine or the Turner Diary for that matter.

Take note that the Turner Diary had the information that was used to created the type of bomb used to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. In the book it was used instead to blow up the FBI Hoover building.

When I was a young child I read a sci fiction book that contain the formula for gun power and my ears rang for a day as a result of apply that information.

To sum up by your theory anyone who have a book that contain the details of bomb building should go to jail?

Let me see I have a few fiction books that contain fairly correct bomb building information that could be used to build a bomb and an autobiography of a man who once was the head of the Miami police bomb squad with all kind of detail information on IEDs. Including pressure cooker bombs.

Not forgetting some very very old engineering magazine from the 1870s or so.

In any case anyone with such material should be jail in your view?

 

Quite so - that's our trouble . . . we (the West) think they (middle easterners) are the same as us but they're definitely not; physiologically they are of course, but regional mind-sets differences are a reality.

 

I just would not apply the Geneva Conventions these are not soldiers and not partisan resistance but criminals. And I wouldn't strip them of rights just turn them over to the government of Israel for interrogations where their laws would apply in return for sharing the intelligence and see they are to messed up to be a viable enemy I would just permanently blind them and return them home. Laser eye technology can heal and harm the eyes and would be simple enough and permanent. Blind radical fighters aren't a threat much anymore. If people whine we have a permanent security council seat just veto any action against us there.

 

So you for some strange reason think that by sub contracting such behaviors out will get you around the limitation of the Geneva Conventions and civil behaviors in general. You wish to turn us into the Germany of the 1930s to the 1940s.

First such behaviors will get almost everyone in the middle east off the fence and into being our enemy an rightly so in my opinion.

Then good luck if you will care to leave the US to travel to or even through even semi civilized nations for the rest of your life.

Hell we still are going after 95 years old nazis to this very day.

Footnote Hillary was very wrong in stating that only 50 percent of Trump supporters are deplorables the true figure is nearer to 100 percents.

You guys seems to had been hiding out until your demon leader had arrive from hell.

 

Gitmo as a source of anti-Americanism:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...transferred-saudi-arabia-170105195938544.html

 

Should,or should not persons suspected of supporting and/or
actively participating in terrorist activity,and/or treasonous activity
be treated as enemy combatants?
You bet your life they should.

Some people in this forum ramble on about them being American
citizens and being given undeniable constitutional rights which are
not be infringed upon.
But I recall awhile back a now "lame-duck"President wanting to eliminate,
terminate,or exterminate American citizens overseas with drone strikes.
Constitutional,or unconstitutional?

And more currently a 2016 Presidential candidate that wanted the US
to issue a drone strike against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange for his
having released damaging DNC e-mails.
Constitutional,or unconstitutional?

Like it or not,the entire western world finds itself in a constant state of war with global terrorism.
And combatants captured on a battlefield,labeled a"prisoners of war"have their cases tried in civilian courts,given God-given rights,or should they be hauled before a military tribunal where they´re surely to be convicted of and on treason and espionage charges.
These individuals are not merely enemies of the State,but unabated,willful participants,guilty of activities against the State.
And therefore meaning out the window goes their rights.

 

Down South we still re-enact Civil War battles that took place 150 years ago.

People have long memories, but you seem to connect only the more recent dots.

Some of the dots go back to the US and Britain overthrowing the only Muslim democracy in the Mid-East in Iran in 1953:
http://www.911review.com/precedent/century/ajax.html

Other dots include the Battleship New Jersey lobbing shells into Lebanon, enabling Israeli expansionism, and stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, among others.

The US has claimed to have killed the top "terrorist leaders" with helicopter and drone strikes over and over again for years now, but new leaders keep emerging.

While it's possible that some detainees in Gitmo might return to actively opposing the US if they are released, more harm is probably done by Gitmo detention being pointed out as injustice and used as a recruiting tool for new terrorist leaders.

Just sayin', not that anyone really gives a crap.

 

But in fact it is a war and the Islamists have said as much. It i also international. The US Courts are not equipped to deal with international terrorism, nor are local police forces.

 

Nor is law enforcement, as seen by the enemy's increased inability to get 'lone wolfers' to attack. I really fear the introduction of the child suicide bomber into the West. It's something we don't experience, but is a common tactic in the ME. If that tactic is brought over here, it will be a new and particularly devastating development to the US continent.

 

What it boils down to is that they have no fear of the consequences of whatever they do. The worst that will happen to them if they're unlucky enough to be caught (which will become more and more rare, the more attacks there are - QED) will be due process (which they laugh at - and who would blame them if we're stupid enough to provide it?) followed by a few months in a prison thence to be paroled: then it'll be a case of 'Off we go again'.

 

I just love the irony here. Americans whining about terrorism when their own country has financed, sponsored and encouraged some of the most vile terrorist organisations and despots in the world.

 

Actually I give a crap. Kidnapping and imprisoning 700+ innocent men and incarcerating them with no access to legal representation or that most fundamental of human rights, habeas corpus, paints the US in no better light than those it accuses. How many of the Guantanamo Bay prisoners were ever charged with terrorist offences? Ten, from 780. The rest were simply rounded up after bounties were offered by the US government for information leading to the arrest of 'suspects'.
In my experience here freedom and democracy-loving conservatives would prefer you didn't mention that America pays no heed to democracy when it doesn't suit American 'interests'.
The USS Liberty incident should also never be mentioned; after all it would be terrible to upset our Israeli 'allies' after the three hour-long 'error', which resulted in the murder of 34 US citizens in international waters.

 

Screw what light we are painted in. Were the 700+ U.S. citizens? No? Then detain them as POW's, and to hell with their "rights". Removing potential foreign threats and collecting intelligence is far more important than a non U.S. citizen's rights. If they are US citizens, pump them for timely intelligence first, then give them their rights as other criminals would have. However, if they are caught in the act, or have publicly sworn allegiance to our enemies, then they are no longer US citizens and should be treated as POWs.

I'm all about double standards in how we treat humanity. Americans first, our allies second, and the rest of the world last. Anything less is shooting ourselves in the foot. Nationalism equals survival.

 

Your Constitution guaranteed them rights, irrespective of their citizenship. I presume you support your Constitution-or only when it suits you? Read this carefully: http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub
You support double standards? Little wonder then that America is so despised if your attitude is prevalent.

 

Yeah, America is 'despised' but more people want to live there than anywhere else in the world.. Go figure.

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Well, if Al Jazeera says so it must be true. Would an Arab lie?

 

Yes, people go to America to make money. Opportunism, not patriotism.

 

Right. It's great to have the freedom and the opportunities to make money, better your life and those in your family. Makes sense, doesn't it?

Do you have any evidence that new citizens don't feel patriotism for their new country or are you only referring to Muslims?