Trump-Appointed Judge Halts Removal of Confederate Memorial at Arlington Cemetery

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  1. Macho MAGA Man

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    Erasing Confederate History is like saying the Civil War never happened. Having Confederate war memorials and military bases named after CSA generals had been a concession of the federal government that allowed the south to keep it's dignity after the war. It must continue!

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ted-judge-halts-removal-confederate-memorial/

    NBC Washington reported:

    A federal judge on Monday issued a temporary restraining order barring removal of a memorial to Confederate soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery.

    A group called Defend Arlington, affiliated with a group called Save Southern Heritage Florida, filed a lawsuit Sunday in federal court in Alexandria, Virginia, seeking the restraining order. A hearing has been scheduled for Wednesday.

    Work to remove the memorial had begun Monday before the restraining order was issued, but the memorial remains in place on cemetery grounds.

    The cemetery had said on Friday that it expected to complete the removal this week. It said the removal was required by Congress, and that it was complying with environmental and historic-preservation regulations.
     
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    What “dignity”…!??
     
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    The more we hear the left say we need to know about history, the more they try to erase it. I recently saw a poll where way to many people think the holocaust didn't happen.
     
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    Lefties-many of whom are most likely harboring the disease of racism, want to pretend they can overcome that fact by howling for the removal of confederate statutes. They engage in rather silly virtue signaling and pretend they are morally superior by demanding such destruction
     
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    Let’s be honest, the Libs have made sure Blacks are way too dumb coming out of their schools to even know to be outraged by a confederate statue or flag looking at them the wrong way.
     
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    I heard from a Jewish friend that her temple was targeted for a bomb threat as were many other synagogues in the USA. Now they appear to have been hoaxes but anyone caught doing that needs to be in federal prison for years. And the Hamas terrorism has caused the Neo Nazis and Jew-hating scum to come out of the shadows and into the open on American campuses
     
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    I've noticed how little coverage the attacks on Jews in America is getting. Compare the coverage of the violent attacks on them to the coverage Smollett received.

    @Macho MAGA Man I apologize if I derailed your thread. If you'd like I'll ask the mods to delete my posts.
     
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    You're okay. You're making good points all around.
     
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    we need to remember it, not worship it like some on the right want to do
     
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    Lol...the left worships and exploits the history of slavery and Jim Crow laws.

    Let me ask you, would you tear down statues of people who abused women or were homophobic if you thought they did something worthwhile?
     
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    Removing memorials is not "erasing Confederate history." The only people trying to erase Confederate history are the right wingers who defend the Confederacy.
     
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    I don't know of anyone that has worshipped those statues. How about you back up your claim with evidence?
     
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    It is an erasure of American History though. Out of sight, out of mind. If its out of sight, then you can teach history however you want it to be teached, truthfully, or not. Exaggerated, or cherry picked. And leftists definitely want to re-write history. As evidenced by the 1619 Project which several scholars dispute, yet is still being taught in over 4500 schools.
     
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    so you would not mind them being moved to museums vs put on pedestals in the centers of towns or on State house lawns
     
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    No. It isn't. It's removing a memorial. You don't have to celebrate something in order to acknowledge its history. And righties want to re-write confederate history. Hell, they've already done so. As evidenced by the Daughters of the Confederacy and their influence on our textbooks . . . something 1619 has no power over. Students all over the south are taught that secession wasn't about slavery. They are taught that the Confederacy was not founded on slavery. This is FAR more destruction to history than just pulling down a monument.
     
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    Trying a double insult, saying the left is racist and blacks are dumb? Sounds like projection, as it's the right - seen maga lately... both of those things
     
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    Tell me something. If you had been around post-war berlin, would you have protested the removal of nazi statues?
     
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    This is what the Arlington National Cemetary has to say about the memorial:

    The Confederate Memorial offers an opportunity for visitors to reflect on the history and meanings of the Civil War, slavery, and the relationship between military service, citizenship and race in America. This memorial, along with the segregated United States Colored Troops graves in Section 27, invites us to understand how politics and culture have historically shaped how Americans have buried and commemorated the dead. Memorialization at a national cemetery became an important marker of citizenship — which, in the post-Reconstruction era, was granted to white Civil War veterans, Confederate or Union, but not to African American soldiers who had served their country. In such ways, the history of Arlington National Cemetery allows us to better understand the complex history of the United States.

    Yep, seems pretty horrible to me. Who would want anyone to understand our history?
     
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    The Civil War was about many things, including slavery. However to hear the left tell it, slavery was the ONLY reason for the Civil War. Do you deny this? Or do you affirm it by claiming exactly what I've said?
     
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    I didn't say the Civil War. I said secession. And, yes, secession was about slavery.
     
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    Frankly, I'd rather they stay exactly where they are. Know why? Because they can be pointed at and be used as a learning experience. Not many people go to museums compared to going to the centers of towns or on State house lawns. Not to mention museums tend to put things in warehouses after awhile until interest in a particular subject comes up again. Understandable since no museum can hold everything that they get.

    "Look Timmy! That there was Robert E. Lee! He was a General for the Confederate Army of Virginia during the civil war. What's that? Was he a hero? Nah, not a hero. He fought on the side that wanted to keep slavery legal. Why? Well, he loved his State. He personally didn't like slavery but was willing to fight for what he considered his home land. You see, history is complicated and everyone in a situation can't be put into a neat little box. There were many views just like there are today. While he didn't like slavery he considered the sovereignty of his home state to be more important than getting rid of slavery." (and continue with the lesson)

    The left seems to think that having a statue up always means worship. That is simply not always the case. If leftists had been smart about it they could have used those statues as teachable moments. And not gotten near the backlash that they have been getting.
     
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    Secession, like the Civil War (they're practically the same thing as you wouldn't have one without the other), was also about many things, slavery included. Again, the left wants to make it out as if that was the ONLY reason. Just like you just tried to make it out to be. So you answered my question. Thanks.

    Know where I learned this? The South (specifically South Carolina). You know, the place that you claim that teaches that it wasn't about slavery?
     
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    Secession and the Civil War are two different things. But if you insist on saying the yare the same, then yes, it was all about slavery. I'm glad your school taught you this truth. Congrats.
     
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    If people want to worship them, so what?

    Are you a totalitarian, forcing people to believe as you do?
     
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    Thanks for affirming that the left does not want actual history taught. Just cherry picked parts of it.

    Oh, and fyi, I went to 7 different schools in South Carolina, not just one. And they all taught the same thing.
     
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