Trump-Appointed Judge Halts Removal of Confederate Memorial at Arlington Cemetery

I'm not the left and I do want history taught. Unlike those who claim that secession was about anything but slavery. I went to school in Texas, by the way, so you aren't impressing me. You should try reading South Carolinas declarations of causes of secession one day.

 

they can do that on their own property, wear the kkk masks, fly the flag, whatever they want


Trump can create his presidential library and move them all there if he wants

 

yes, and if they are vandalized, that is a part of their history and the vandalism should not be removed - would not want to erae history

 

If you want history taught then you should have no problem that secession was about more than slavery. Even South Carolina's declaration that you reference shows that.

" [A]n increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. . . ."

LINK: South Carolina Declaration of Secession (1860) | Constitution Center

Do you have the reading comprehension enough to understand that while slavery was first and foremost, it wasn't the ONLY reason. It was also about the Federal Government not doing its due diligence and other States not adhering to the Constitution. Specifically:

LINK: Full Text of the U.S. Constitution | Constitution Center

The Northern States were not respecting the Constitution. Do you deny this?

 

By that reasoning, you would have no problem of statues of the 9/11 terrorists being erected in NY. Right?

 

That is a BS argument and you know it. Not even going to bother to take such a response seriously.

 

Someone didn't read their own link. Since you didn't read it, let me help you. It starts with: "[A]n increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery"

 

Go for it! I'd LOVE for that to happen. I'll design the statue myself!

 

See, cherry picked history is all you care about. Try reading my WHOLE post (including the part I quoted from SC's declaration). Get some context. Get the full historical context. Not just your cherry picked version. For instance I specifically said "...to understand that while slavery was first and foremost, it wasn't the ONLY reason."

 

It isn't "cherry picked history." It's just history. And don't whine when I used YOUR quote.

You know who thought that secession was about slavery? THE STATES THAT SECEDED. They said so. Many times. I've provided more primary sources from the time period than anyone else on the forum. You have no leg to stand on. The south said they seceded over slavery. This is just the truth.

 

Among other things yes. Slavery was one of the reasons, easily the main reason. How many times do I have to say this? But it was not the ONLY reason. That is the part that you are ignoring. And you did not use my FULL quote. You cherry picked. You are literally cherry picking history and ignoring other parts. You can deny it all that you want. But the evidence is here for all to see.

 

You can say it as much as you want. You will still be wrong. The reason will still be slavery, as every relevant source from the time period clearly states. There was NO other cause that the South was willing to secede over. And please don't say "but the evidence is here for all to see" when you are not capable of talking about the evidence.

 

Arlington belongs to all Americans.

 

Including the Americans that the Confederates thought were subhuman because of their race?

 

This coming from the person who refuses to acknowledge:

"disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. . . ."

Article IV
Section 1
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Section 2
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

??? God you're hilarious.

 

Yes, of course.

 

Build monuments to the winners if you want to remember the civil war.

 

Even though they didn't even consider themselves Americans and waged war against our country to preserve slavery?

 

How about we replace every confederate monument with one of the winning side? Can’t say we want to forget then. 10 new Sherman monuments for every confederate one we remove. That’ll make sure we don’t forget!
Do you think Germany builds Hitler monuments to mark sure nobody forgets the Holocaust? Israel? Poland?

 

Of course.

 

You are claiming to know more about the causes of secession than the people who decided to secede. There's nothing more hilarious than that.

 

I'm quoting directly from something that YOU referred to and from the Constitution. The only one here trying to claim to know more than the people who decided to secede is you. Not my fault that you're ignoring what they themselves said and what the Constitution says.

 

The seceding states explicitly said that the Constitution did not go far enough to defend slavery.

 

No one at that time considered themselves as "Americans". Not even Northerners. They considered themselves as the State in which they resided.

 

"disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. . .