Trump asks Supreme Court to block ruling he lacks immunity in January 6 criminal case

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  1. Arkanis

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    Former President Donald Trump on Monday asked the Supreme Court to step into the charged dispute over whether he may claim immunity from prosecution, once again pressing the nine justices to resolve a question that could undermine his campaign for a second term.

    Trump asked the Supreme Court to temporarily block a scathing and unanimous decision from the DC Circuit handed down last week that flatly rejected his claims of immunity from election subversion charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith.

    “Conducting a months-long criminal trial of President Trump at the height of election season will radically disrupt President Trump’s ability to campaign against President Biden,” Trump’s attorneys wrote in their request.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/12/politics/trump-supreme-court-immunity-filing/index.html

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    Even if SCOTUS agreed to hear this case, the chances of Trump winning are zero.

    More than likely, SCOTUS will endorse the DC court's decision.

    Then, Trump won't be able to get any more delay to escape justice.

    The irony is that the MAGA claim the Constitution is sacred... but support a candidate who want to be above it.

    It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
     
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    In the case about removing him from the ballot, his lawyer said he’d have to convicted of insurrection, then went on to say trump is immune from being charged with insurrection lol
    They are asking for a ridiculous standard.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And in their motion to move the hush money case to Federal court his lawyers said "The President is an Officer of the United States".
     
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    So you think the scotus is just going to agree that presidents don't have immunity for "criminal" actions while president and engaging in actions within his duties without even taking the case? I doubt it. I could be wrong but I highly doubt it.

    The implications of that decision are absolutely enormous.
     
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    They’ll throw any ridiculous argument against the wall and see what sticks
     
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    Provide the documents his attorney filed so we can see it. From what I remember he claimed to be an officeholder. Not an officer.
     
  7. Arkanis

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    The DC court unanimously concluded that Trump had no immunity.

    If you side with Trump - out of pure political partisanship - you accept the fact that the POTUS is above the Constitution.

    A king, strictly speaking.
     
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    If Trump is shot down, then any prosecutor anywhere can hit an ex president with a crime - or what he thinks is a crime. Do you think there are a few prosecutors in Texas who would love to get their hands on Biden?
     
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    So you mean it’ll work the way it did before trump?
    Cool.
    If a texas prosecutor has proof Biden broke texas laws then they should charge him. Why wouldn’t they?
     
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    I believe a president should have immunity from prosecution for his official duties. Duties that are presidential job related and decisions made in that capacity. But no immunity for unofficial or off duty behavior or anything not related to the official duties and decisions of the office of the President.


    Speaking at a campaign rally isn’t official presidential duty or related to the official job of the presidency.
     
  12. Arkanis

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    Have you read the DC court ruling?

    If you had read it, you wouldn't be making this argument.
     
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    So, you do approve of your fuhrer’s claim that he is above the law.
     
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    I guess they’d have given Hitler immunity for everything also
     
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    How is appealing to the Supreme Court "above the Constitution"?
     
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    What an idiotic claim. In one case he isn’t, in one case he is. More proof Trump is an idiot.
     
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    No, I have not. Can you copy and paste the relevant text. Thanks
     
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    No what they concluded is that a president is immune from all civil liability from actions committed while performing duties even on the boundaries of his duties as president.

    They assert however that this does not extend to criminal liability.

    The problem with that interpretation is so absurd it's not even feasible. Not only would it allow private citizens to bring actions against the president once his time in office is over including anything from environmental lawsuits in states that criminalize environmental damages to murder charges for targeting American citizens for assassination without due process (as Obama did) and anything in between.

    But more important than that it effectively gives blackmail power to the states over the president. For instance a state, say Texas, could pass a law that says anyone interfering with Texas' right to protect its borders is committing a crime punishable by death. They could then tell the president either you protect the border or we're gonna charge you once you leave office with a crime that's punishable by death in a deep red district.

    They could do this on any issue they so chose to do. The possibilities are endless and all of them would force the presidents hand.
     
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    The Constitution already provides for full immunity from civil damages and partial immunity for certain decisions made by the POTUS in the course of his duties.

    What he is asking for is complete immunity if he commits a criminal act.

    Even murder.

    Impossible to prosecute him if he hasn't been impeached first.

    That's the guy you want to vote for.
     
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    Just keep in mind what the Orange stain's goal is...delay...delay...delay. He actually believes the moment he wins the election that he will be able to pardon himself. He's going to be sorely disappointed.
     
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    The cult around Trump has gone so far, that his MAGA now doubts the mechanisms in the Constitution that prevent a POTUS from committing a criminal act.

    The nation has always worked well with these principles.

    In fact, Nixon resigned before being prosecuted and later pardoned by Ford.

    Otherwise, he would have been put in jail.

    It took the election of a criminal like Trump for a segment of the electorate - the MAGA - to question the laws that prevent a President from committing criminal acts with impunity.

    Perhaps the Constitution should be torn up and rewritten so that Trump can become King of the U.S.

    Wouldn't it be fantastic?
     
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    Come on. Do you seriously contend that a POTUS can randomly kill anyone and everyone in the USA while he is in Office and be immune from prosecution?

    Do you seriously contend that he can walk into every Bank in the USA, armed, rob it and not ever be prosecuted for doing so?

    Do you seriously contend that he can break into your Home, rape your Wife and infant kids and not ever be prosecuted for doing so?
     
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    Yes it should and all because Humpty* has exposed just about all its weaknesses, ruptured all the boundaries of every envelope and so far he is getting away with it.

    *Rapist
     
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    And that's his whole game: delay. An innocent man wants the trial over yesterday, to clear his name and help his position moving forward.

    If The Supremes do take the case, or take an inordinate amount of time before declaring they won't take the case, it will be further evidence that they are corrupt, and bought, giving ever more fuel to the argument that the court must be expanded to 13 Justices. They have already showed that they cannot police themselves, with Uncle Thomas not recusing himself from the Colorado ballot access case, ignoring the recent ethics guidelines supposedly implemented.
     
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    But he would be able to shut down federal prosecutions.
     

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