Trump Cites Progress In Keeping Carrier Air Conditioning Plant In Indiana

peoshi · Dec 3, 2016

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Negative! That's the truth and everyone with half a brain knows it. Trump changed one bugger for another bugger, and the Indiana tax payer paid for it. That's $7million dollars over ten years to the tax payer when the taxpayer wasn't supposed to have anything to do with it. The whole deal is a con game. He took the Indiana tax payer hostage. Nothing gained!
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Tell that to the people who actually live and work there,genius!

Do you live in Indiana?

Do you work there? If not, then why are you b*tching about it?

Carrier Corp.’s decision to shutter its manufacturing operation on Indianapolis’ west side will cause a domino effect that will wipe out more than 2,700 jobs across Indiana and cost the state's economy more than $100 million a year, experts say.

Carrier plans to eliminate 1,400 low- to midgrade manufacturing jobs during the next three years and move its production facility to Mexico. That move will ripple through Indiana and forever change Indianapolis' west side.

“The closing of the plant will have a much wider impact than just the immediate area of the city,” said Jerry Conover, director of the Indiana Business Research Center at Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business.

The elimination of Carrier’s 1,400 jobs will cause an additional 1,358 jobs to be lost across the state, Conover said, citing economic predictions made by the center. That is further compounded by the fact that Huntington-based United Technologies Electronic Controls is eliminating 700 Hoosier jobs by 2018 and moving its operation to Mexico.

Carrier Corp. and UTEC are divisions of Hartford, Conn.-based United Technologies Corp.

INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Carrier in Indy, UTEC in Huntington to move units to Mexico, costing 2,100 jobs

The decision to cut 2,100 manufacturing jobs across the state was financial, according to a statement from Carrier, which will begin eliminating its Indianapolis workforce in 2017 and continue the layoffs through 2019.

Carrier’s workers are classified in a two-tier wage system.

A quarter of the workers make about $14 an hour, or $30,000 a year. The rest, however, make about $26 an hour, or about $55,000, but earn well above $70,000 a year with overtime, said Chuck Jones, president of United Steelworkers Local 1999, which represents the Carrier workers who will lose their jobs.

The Mexican workers replacing Carrier employees will earn a base wage of $3 an hour, which is $23 less than some of the top-paid employees in Indianapolis.

The elimination of Carrier’s production employees will cut $67 million a year from income statewide, Conover said. When jobs that will be lost from suppliers and other businesses dependent on Carrier are counted, that figure almost doubles to $108 million a year.

The likelihood that Carrier’s workers will find similar high-paying jobs in Indianapolis is unlikely, experts said.

“People are very uncertain, not knowing what the future is going to bring,” Jones said. “It’s scary when you don’t know what you’re going to do after a certain period of time. It’s not just one person affected; there are a lot of instances of several family members losing jobs.

“You’re taking away multiple incomes, and there’s no doubt people are scared.”

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Carrier, UTEC move to Mexico part of Indiana's long-term decline in manufacturing

Carrier and the United Steelworkers have not reached an agreement on severance packages for employees. Until then, Carrier’s employees will be in limbo. If they leave before a bargain is struck, they won’t be able to receive severance pay, educational benefits or assistance from local, state and federal sources.

“If people leave now, they’re walking away from all of that,” Jones said. “If they don’t stay until their time is up, they’re not going to get any of the severance or the training that’s provided.”

Jones said the union is sending representatives to meet with members of Congress to discuss the layoffs and convey the severity of the situation. He said he’s hopeful the pressure will help the workers land a decent severance package, which will be fleshed out in mid-July.

“Whatever you get is not going to be enough, but we are optimistic we can go in and bargain a good severance package,” Jones said. “Companies are obligated to meet with us, but they are not obliged to give us anything.”

Carrier has said it will make some separation benefits — including one that pays for college tuition, books and fees — available to displaced workers.

Carrier, which has been in Indianapolis since the 1950s, spurred economic growth in the city, especially in the area near the plant. Indianapolis will feel a shock when Carrier is gone, but it won’t be as bad as life would be in a one-factory town, said David Audretsch, distinguished professor and Ameritech chair of economic development in the School of Public and Environmental Affairs at Indiana University.

“This is a pretty prominent employer, especially for these kinds of workers in the community,” Audretsch said. “Just as Bruce Springsteen once said in a song, these jobs are going and they aren’t coming back.”

Audretsch warned that Carrier’s closing will be a detriment to businesses and neighborhoods near the plant.

“Given this scenario, my guess would be that this could easily trigger a downward spiral,” he said. “There’s likely to be foreclosures and people who can’t keep up with their house payments.”

According to census data, of the people who live within a half-mile radius of the Carrier plant, 62.8 percent are manufacturing workers and 66.7 percent earn about $40,000 or more a year.

“For the people who are laid off and people who are dependents, it’s going to be pretty devastating,” Audretsch said.

David Moore, who cuts hair at Hot Stylz, a barber shop across the street from the Carrier plant, said the plant closure will have a dramatic effect on business.

“It’s going to slow a lot of traffic down,” he said. “We still have other companies around here, but Carrier is a big part of it.”

Moore also said that when the Carrier jobs are gone, he’s worried the crime rate will escalate in the area because there’s no way all those people will find work.

“A lot of guys are worried about the crime rate going up,” he said. “When people don’t have jobs — a lot of people moved over here for this job and have been there 20-plus years, or they’re just starting out and had a good opportunity — the shops nearby are open and everybody in here gets cash money, and that’s a risk.
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http://www.indystar.com/story/money...sing-cost-indiana-economy-108m-year/85930170/

GreenBayMatters · Dec 3, 2016

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If you think those folks who voted in 2012 are dumb, wait until the Indiana taxpayers who voted for Trump find out how Trump sucker punched them into paying their own taxes to keep Carrier in Indiana. Lol! Now those folks must be feeling really dumb; http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...-part-of-trump-carrier-jobs-plan-821559363758
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The governor of Indiana (not Trump) is giving Carrier a $7 million tax break. What a piker! Jerry Brown says "I'll see your $7 million and raise you$743 million. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-capitol-business-beat-20140512-story.html

When you find a state that has never offered tax breaks to keep or attract business, let me know.

jackdog · Dec 3, 2016

love it that the libs are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)in about this, let them marginalize themselves even more than they already have. Wonder if any democrats at that plant as well as at other factories will remember this and vote GOP next midterms. That is what really has the libs in a hissy fit, they threw away the working class while concentrating on who gets to use which bathroom and now they are regretting it

bwk · Dec 3, 2016

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I never thought Obama was really that bad but nice try. I voted for Trump for two reasons. To keep Hillary out of office and to get somebody in that may actually do some change for the better. Hillary would not have saved these jobs yet if she had done this deal you all would probably be praising her for saving jobs but since it's Trump you're all mad and when the left get's mad they throw temper tantrums like little kids and do what they do best. Attack the person that made them mad.

I feel the problem won't go away until NAFTA is removed. If Trump removes that stupid deal I will be very happy. If he chooses not to remove it then my view of him will change but like I said I am going to give him a chance and wait and see.
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Hilary wasn't for NAFTA, and she was all for those very things I pointed out. That's why Trump was/is the bad choice. He's trying to hold onto twentieth century ideas, while the rest of the developed world leaps way ahead. Not to mention, we sold manufacturing out when we put in Reaganomics. It's time we look to the future. We are decades behind the rest of the developed world.

bwk · Dec 4, 2016

GreenBayMatters said: ↑

The governor of Indiana (not Trump) is giving Carrier a $7 million tax break. What a piker! Jerry Brown says "I'll see your $7 million and raise you$743 million. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-capitol-business-beat-20140512-story.html

When you find a state that has never offered tax breaks to keep or attract business, let me know.
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You people never get it do you? Jerry Brown gave tax cuts not because he wanted to, while Trump did it because he did. That's the big difference in this thing we call Capitalism, that no longer exists because of Reaganomics. We, the American people shouldn't be giving companies big tax cuts. After the thirties, when Roosevelt rescued us from this same disaster by turning the country over to Capitalism, Companies got a small tax cut, made a profit, and the middle class whites flourished in this country for several decades. And that's the way it should be today. Where everyone participates in this thing we used to call Capitalism. But then something wicked happened. We introduced Reaganomics where companies got huge tax breaks and workers got stagnant wages, and it's been like that ever since. Folks like Obama and Jerry Brown don't want that any more than they want a tooth ache. If they had it there way, they'd go back to better times for the middle class where Capitalism actually worked for everyone. But the bought and paid for Republicans who are owned by the Koch brothers want for corporations to own Capitalism. They want Oligarchy. Why is this so hard for you people to understand ?

jackdog · Dec 4, 2016

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It's time we look to the future. We are decades behind the rest of the developed world.
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are you insane or just never been anywhere outside the US for anything other than a whirlwind tour ? Visiting foreign countries is fun, living there is another story. Been there done that. There is a reason that everyone wants to emigrate to the USA. Now if I could afford a second home in Barcelona or Bologna.........

bwk · Dec 4, 2016

jackdog said: ↑

are you insane or just never been anywhere outside the US for anything other than a whirlwind tour ? Visiting foreign countries is fun, living there is another story. Been there done that. There is a reason that everyone wants to emigrate to the USA. Now if I could afford a second home in Barcelona or Bologna.........
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Maybe someone needs to ask you the same question. We are way behind boss. Stop kidding yourself; http://www.canstockphoto.com/images-photos/bullet-train.html

jackdog · Dec 4, 2016

bwk said: ↑

Maybe someone needs to ask you the same question. We are way behind boss. Stop kidding yourself; http://www.canstockphoto.com/images-photos/bullet-train.html
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high speed rail is a nice novelty but just a very expensive way to get from point A to Point B. Ever look up the ticket prices on those things ? you can fly for half the price

https://www.city-cost.com/blogs/City-Cost/GW4ew

however if you have a month or so to kill in Europe the Eurorail is a bargain and a great way to travel as long as you are not in a hurry

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