Trump gets the last laugh on Macron with Paris burning after his rebuke of 'America First'

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  1. notme

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    The entire point is if them Germans are able to afford to buy a house and their electric bills.
    And all you got is their concrete houses are smaller and more expensive than an American house build with plywood.
    That's not disputing anything, buddy. That's just ranting so far off topic that it's not relevant at all.
     
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    If that is the case, why is it that the richest country in Europe has the lowest home ownership rate? A full 30 percentage points below most of the rest of Europe.
     
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    I already sourced that.
     
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    Yes because the best way to "save money" is to import huge numbers of uneducated, violent, non-French speaking males and give them welfare.

    To double your savings, implement carbon taxes and send the money raised to "developing" nations. You know, like China.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah if Democrats have anything to say about it.
     
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    Yeah yeah You da boss, Hoss
     
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    I'm not the one ignoring the best economic metrics in decades.

    All we had to do was reverse all of Obama's policies and agenda to make it happen.
     
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    Right Right Now I know.
     
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    You're welcome to present a counter argument.

    Problem is, you can't.
     
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    Why bother? You think that you are in fat city with this guy. I think it is temporary and that the walls(no pun intended) will be
    coming down. Too much, too fast.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well you could try and show you have a point, or to prove me wrong.

    Like I said though, the problem is, it's getting harder to ignore reality for the left.
     
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    I am not from the left, have been in business for years and think that the Trump base is ignoring reality. There was a slow but steady recovery in progress when Trump came down the pike, and he goosed it. The best recovery is slow but steady and lasts a lot longer if history is correct. There was no reason to give the wealthy that huge tax cut when the economy was moving along well. When the recession comes, Trump will have no arrows in his quiver to fight it. We have his promises that include the wall paid for by Mexico, cheaper and better health care to deal with, social security and Medicare to deal with, and trillions of dollars for infrastructure, not to mention the elimination of the debt. Where is this money coming from? What he did was to increase the national deficit rather than reduce it as he predicted due to the huge tax cut. His slashing of environmental protections will surely come back to haunt us. I support some elimination, but not the wholesale slaughter of the environmental protections that were in place to protect us. Instead they were eliminated in the interest of profit and without any thought process.
    Then we have his tariff wars, which are hurting industry and is causing cost problems already and we are only in the early stages and
    have lost some companies. Industries, such as steel, will have huge price increases due to a lack of competition and employee
    benefits. A repeat of the 1970s. I'm just sayin.
     
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    He goosed it by undoing everything Obama did.

    The only reason we had the anemic economy we did was because the Fed sent interest rates to zero and held them there 8 years.

    All of the things you've just mentioned that haven't been done because they're being blocked by the failed Obama acolytes.
     
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    Oh, and the money comes from the booming job market, which is where all actual money for the government comes from.

    You can either make people prosperous and take some of what they earn, or you can go the Democrat route and kill jobs and take most of what the few with jobs has.

    Your choice.
     
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    Total hogwash. Obama's recovery amounted to pumping enough defecate money into the system to keep interest rates a zero. Adding 10 trillion dollars to the government debt in 8 years. Because the interest rates were already zero he had no way to boost the economy by lowering interest rates. He even stated obtaining a GPD above 2% is no longer possible. Over 90% of all Americans benefited from his tax cuts. "Wholesale slaughter of the environmental protections" is not even remotely true. Obama care is working so well, why would we want to improve on it? If you are not one of the parasites getting free health care you are one of the saps paying for it. Deductions, and premiums are through the roof. The deductions are so high, millions of people can no longer afford to use their healthcare. You have no problem with China placing tariffs on our products, why do you oppose us doing the same? If you were more than an internet pretend businessman, you would know sometimes you need to have short term pain to achieve long term gain. You had no problem with Obama bailing out GM and giving billions to green energy companies but you oppose saving a steel industry that is paramount to our security. His policies have made scrap iron and aluminum of value again. This is helping clean up our environment. You would rather have our dumps filled up with "cash for clunkards" junk paid for by the tax payers?
     
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    That is why I shouldn't have bothered. We had a recovering economy, slow because of the severity of the great recession. Your statements are a sign of ignorance of the facts. Trump hasn't even done any of this except to make promises to attract his base.
    If you want a serious discussion, then stop making untrue statements (undoing everything Obama did) and let's have one, yes?
     
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    Keep flapping. You are good at it. Hogwash? Don't think so, genius.
     
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    Right on, bro. Where is the money that comes from the "booming" job market?
    Thank you for sharing. Bye Bye
     
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    Don't like people who point out you ignorance? TDS have you down?
     
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    From the jobs created by taking the boot off the neck of job creators, of course.

    That and bringing jobs back to the country that NAFTA and Democrats have been sending to slave wage countries, of course.
     
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    Has Trump been systematically undoing everything Obama did, or not?
     
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    Of course
     
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    He has been trying because he is jealous, just as he is jealous of other previous presidents. And undoing is not necessarily a good thing.
     
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    Hahahahahahaha!

    What did Obama do that Trump would be jealous of?

    Manage to spend 2 billion on a failed Obamacare website?

    Double the debt?

    What?
     
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    Glad you agree.
     

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