Trump has already alienated an important ally

Oh, please. Mexico isn't violating us or occupying us.

And, they absolutely ARE an ally in a number of important efforts that cost them tax dollars and help the USA more than Mexico.

 

It appears that the president doesn't agree with your assessment of our southern neighbors.

welcome to reality! Where election results matter, and sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose.

 

Below is a N.Y. Times article from 30 years ago. It shows how Mexico has been sodomizing America for over fifty years now.

 

Exactly "what" Mexican imports we can't live without? Their fruits and vegetables are substandard. I'd rather pay more for home grown anyway. Their HVAC products are horrible. It's a great reason to bring manufacturing back to the US. Will it cost more? Yes, who cares? It's worth it in the long run for our economy and our jobs.

 

So now paying higher tax's is bad thing in the libby's handbook?

 

just to clarify they spent their own tax dollars to prevent the cartel from completely taking over their country. The fact that it helps the US is incidental.

Well lets see. I hope there are competing goods to the mexican ones that will now be more expensive Maybe other countries make cars and electronics too. I do hope Mexico did not have a monopoly on that.

I hope the companies that moved production to mexico for lower wages are happy with the tariff

 

If Trump's ideas regarding how to get more jobs and manufacturing back here are incomplete, it behooves Congress and business to round them out.

 

The thing is, when one country places over 5 million of its citizens, unwelcome, within the territory of a neighboring country, the word that normally applies is "invasion". But for some strange reason, such thinking is downright gosh if applied to Mexico. Why is that exactly? And why is it that the only reasonable response is for Americans to maintain a blissful ignorance towards this uninvited segment of the population?

For some reason, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto says that Mexico offers and demands respect, and so we in the United States are supposed to be cowed? What about the respect which the United States demands? How about having Mexico recognize the fact that their citizens are entering our country with absolutely zero regard for our rules. We're supposed to be sensitive to the needs of Mexico? I almost wish President Trump would state that we consider the invasion of our country an act of war. Perhaps that would serve to convey the seriousness with which some people take the current situation we have with our neighbor to the south.

If I were Mexico, I'd start being concerned about upsetting the important ally to my north. This idea that we Americans somehow need Mexico? That we must be sensitive to Mexico's needs? Sorry, but as much as I enjoy a good tamale every now and then, the well being of Mexico is not high on my list of priorities. Friends don't treat friends the way Mexico treats the United States; it's about time the U.S. took control of the situation.

 

Will you do need to read more. Your post is totally misinformed!

The drug cartels effectively control large sections of Mexico, and go largely unchecked by extremely corrupt federal and local governments. It is only after a cartel stops paying graft or threatened civil war, that the government does anything about them. El Chapo is a prime example. He was finally arrested in Mexico, for crimes in Mexico. Then Mexican government refused to extradite him to the US for crimes here until it was proven that they could not hold him there. Only then did the grant extradition. Mexico only worries about the Cartels when it is in the best interest of Mexico. Not in an effort to stop drugs coming to the US.

This is how the Mexicans are working to stop illegals coming from Central and South America:



It would take illegals weeks, even months to walk from the southern Mexican border to the US border. But Mexico is expediting the process by allowing the illegals from south of Mexico to ride on top of trains. This speeds up their travel to 15 hours. That is not what I call stopping illegals from other countries. That is call aiding and abetting.

You have any statistics to back that up. How many terrorists have been captured by Mexico attempting to enter the US?

Again, you have any statistics to back that statement. How many human traffickers have the Mexicans arrested? How many of these were arrested for not paying brides to the Government officials?

It looks to me like your just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks. You obviously did not do any research on the subject.

How many times over the last decade have we heard liberals cry about outsourcing? Shipping US jobs to other countries? In case you haven't figured it out, sending components to Mexico so they can be assembled and shipped back is called outsourcing labor. It is a business that needs to be threatened. US companies need to be using US labor to assemble these components into end items.

Australia, Japan. Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore and Vietnam are already being influenced by the Chinese government,. This is because China has claim sovereignty and control of the entire China Sea. It does not matter to them that the UN has ruled that claim invalid, They intend to exercise that claim with their

Countries can not take trade negotiations personally. There is no hatred intended in how President Trump is dealing with Mexico. It is strictly business. Mexico has been working against the interests of the US government, by allowing their citizens to enter the US illegally. It is something that has to be stopped. It is going to take a wall to stop it. Since it is the Mexican side of the border that is the key violators, they should have to pay for at least a portion of it.

The import tax is what they call a shot across the bow. It is designed to get Mexico's attention. The Mexican President will whine and chest thump for a couple of weeks, and then very quietly low level members of their government will meet with US officials to iron out an agreement. It will probably make the tax only effect companies that has US headquarters, and will have Mexico pay for a portion of the wall. In the end there will be a grand signing ceremony where the trade agreement is signed. It is called international trade.

 

No, he won't. The idea was so remarkably stupid that it has been withdrawn. Just another dumb-ass idea Trump came up with that was so moronic he had to change his mind. I'm beginning to think he does this to draw attention to himself. That and his photo ops on steroids is consistent with his narcissistic persona. Yesterday it was allowing a camera shoot on Air Force One. Today it was a ceremonial swearing in ceremony for Mattis who has already been sworn in by Pence. Trump is eating this stuff up.

Now he is suggesting an across the board 20% tariff on all imports to pay for the wall, not just Mexico. Trust me, he will change his mind on that hair-brained idea, too. A 20% tariff on all goods would mean the American consumer, who Trump claims he is trying to protect, would pay for the wall inasmuch as all imported goods would be taxed. In addition, tariffs are a two-edged sword. If the U.S. can place a tariff on all imported goods, other nations can retaliate by placing a tariff on all U.S. goods entering their country. Trump would be touching off a trade war. That would not do the American worker one darn bit of good.

This ludicrous idea will fall by the wayside as quickly as Trump's original ludicrous idea.

Forbes Magazine reports, The one thing which truly worries everyone about the Donald Trump administration is that so many of the people within it seem not to understand how trade works.

 

I agree with you with respect to Mexico. However, I am unclear how that relates to Americans paying for the wall instead of Mexico as Trump promised. That is the point of the OP. Trump's corny idea of punishing Mexico was, in reality, punishing Americans.

Of course, we know now that idea was so bad that Trump changed his mind again. Now he has come up with an even more deranged idea -- a 20% tariff on all imported goods to pay for the wall. Now along with punishing the American consumer even more, he wants to touch off a trade war that will punish the American worker. Not to worry. He will change his mind on that moronic idea as well.

If he keeps this up, he will completely lose the Republican Congress. They know he is acting like a spoiled child.

 

Trump is in the process of another foreign policy disaster.

The White House is drafting a presidential directive that calls on Defense Secretary James N. Mattis to devise plans to more aggressively strike the Islamic State, which could include American artillery on the ground in Syria and Army attack helicopters to support an assault on the group’s capital, Raqqa, officials said.

The Navy’s top admiral is looking at ways to stage special operations forces, rocket propelled artillery known as HIMARS, M777 artillery systems, Apache helicopter gunships and Marine and Army soldiers aboard large amphibious assault ships to be able to go ashore to Syria to fight ISIS.

Fox News reports, The Navy’s top admiral is looking at ways to stage special operations forces, rocket propelled artillery known as HIMARS, M777 artillery systems, Apache helicopter gunships and Marine and Army soldiers aboard large amphibious assault ships to be able to go ashore to Syria to fight ISIS.

No, this can't be happening. For fifteen years we have been fighting Islamic terrorist groups. We have not defeated a single terrorist group. In modern history no Islamic terrorist group has ever been destroyed by military force, which would explain the position of some on the Chiefs of Staff. That is, there is no military solution to ISIS. ISIS can be controlled through effective law enforcement and quality intelligence. Only Islam can destroy Islamic extremism.

I warned that Trump would be dangerous. If he attacks ISIS in Syria and Iraq it will be Iraq war redux. We all know how that went. Sending in American troops to fight on their ground is exactly what every terrorist group from Al Qaeda to ISIS to Hamas to Hezbollah wants, to strike again at soldiers of the Great Satan. Playing into the hands of the enemy, fighting on his turf, is a really dumb thing to do. During the election campaign, Trump promised to bomb the s**t out of ISIS. Unfortunately for the U.S. it looks like we will be taking him at his word.

 

Mexico needs to be a far better country so their citizens stop fleeing that country.

 

I am seriously far more worried about our Armor at the doors of Russia than what Mexico is up to. More concerned than following up on the war making adventures of Obama in other areas.

We might as well park nukes on Russia borders as to park those tanks. And they won't stay parked.

 

I stand by what I said.

The fact that Mexico hasn't stopped drug production or traffic puts them in the same category as the USA. You have to admit they are helping us with these problems.

Their help against terrorist movement through Mexico doesn't require arrest data to verify. The can contribute simply by making it more difficult for them to enter Mexico and then travel to the US.

Allowing people to ride on top of trains? What does that prove?

It is Trump who has taken trade negotiations personally. So, I don't know where you were heading with that.


As for the tariff thing, it is Trump's people who are backing off.

We have a president who spews ideas without actual thought or investigation. I'd suggest you hold your brave statements until the adults set a direction.

 

Robert, get real. We will not get into a shooting war with Russia. However, Trump's ideas about ISIS could be another military disaster for us. I agree with the Joint Chiefs. There is no military solution to ISIS.

 

If the Mexicans are selling a product you cannot get anywhere else, people will buy it and pay the extra cost.

 

That was under Obama.

We put armor right up to Russia and you want me to think we are kidding them?

 

If the Mexicans are selling a product you can't get anywhere else (burritos?), they have already hiked the price to the absolute maximum of what the market can bear. You don't think they could charge 20% higher now but don't, do you? Jeez

 

Yeah well, that's not going to hurt them, but a 20% tariff would help us.

But honestly, how many things do they make that can't be obtained anywhere else?

 

Yeah I couldnt live without these

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I need you to in the interest of honesty accurately quote Bush. What you use twists what Bush was talking about.

 

And these


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Perhaps I should quote the entire chapter Robert?

 

The current JCOS are all yes men appointed by a community organizer.

The JCOS today are no longer part of the military chain of command and have no one under their command. They only advise the President and according to Obama's former SecDef Robert Gates, Obama never listened to his JCOS and rarely ever met with them.

Jim, aka Gen."Mad Dog" Mattis, Trumps Secretary of Defense is drawing up a war plan to kill Obama's JV Team (ISIS) for good.