Trump has already alienated an important ally

When you see the real quote, it gives an entirely different story.

Bush spoke not of military decisions, but those made by him in his job. Things like having meetings.

 

It has been a very long time that the JCOS's were removed from the chain of command. When they tried to get involved with General Franks War in Afghanistan then in Iraq he raised holy hell with them. Stormed out of the meeting.

I bet you never read that in any Woodward books. Woodward is an embarrassment still living off his days investigating Nixon.

 

I am sure that you are familiar with the fact that Obama sent 500 special operators to Turkey for duty in Syria last month.

The plan that you are talking about is in a very preliminary stage. It has not been completed, or signed off on.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/2...is-to-be-presented-to-trump-us-officials.html

It is a long way between planning and actual execution.

IMHO, I do not agree with Trump on this point; I believe that we should pull out of Syria completely, and let the Russians and Iranians deal with ISIS. But I disagree with you also. Most Islamic countries are terrified of dealing with extremists too harshly. They are afraid that it would trigger another Arab Spring event. Such an event would allow ISIS to get a foothold in their country. Most people the organization as ISIS which stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, but their name is actually ISIL which stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant. Levant is a name that defines a geographic region that includes Cyprus, Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Turkey. The goal of ISIL is to consolidate the entire region into one Islamic State. Right now, they are limiting operation to just Syria and Iraq. The other countries on the list, with the exception of Turkey, are staying out of the fight for the most part. They are not giving ISIS/ISIL any reason to expand operations into their country. The two remaining powers in the region are fighting on opposite sides of the Syrian conflict. So, you can not depend on the Islamic Community to handle ISIS or any radical Islamic group.

 

How did you interpret the quote I posted ??

 

You are completely clueless. Read this article, and then tell how Mexico is keeping anyone from entering the country, or making it hard to move through their country:

http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ing-the-beast-across-mexico-to-the-u-s-border

Mexico is not stopping anyone from entering this country, and they are allowing them to ride on the tops of the trains so they can get to the US quicker.

So, you can stand by a pile of cow dung, but it won't smell any different then what you have posted.

 

It was the Goldwater–Nichols Act of 1986 when the JCOS were no longer part of the chain of command.

Last year both Senators McCain and Graham said as soon as Obama was out of the White House that Congress was going to revisit the Goldwater–Nichols Act.

Personally I think Congress should revisit the National Security Act of 1947 that gave civilians way to much control over the military especially during war time when you see Presidents and cabinet secretaries micromanaging wars like LBJ, McNamara, Rumsfeld did and a perfect example, Obama who had no military experience at all and didn't trust the military or listened to his military advisers but instead had people like Susan Rice and Valerie Jarrett running the military and the wars in Afghanistan, Libya (Hillary) and of course the war against Obama's JV Team.

 

Mexico has alienated us by treating us like such garbage lately. If they aren't willing to be fair then we dont need them nearly as much as they need us.

 

That does not invalidate the issue by any stretch.

Let's remember that there are large numbers of people escaping horrible conditions south of Mexico - conditions that the US considers justification for asylum.

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Poor, poor America!!

We're just so put upon.

Or, not.

 

Liberalese for, "I don't want to admit that you are right, but I can't debate you." The fact that I have proven is that the corrupt government is helping illegals to enter this country, and that includes terrorists.

Here is an idea. Good people should stay home, and change conditions there. That is the only way things will get better. We did not create the conditions there. We should not be taking them in. If Mexico does not want them there, they need to build their own wall to keep them out. Not transporting them to the US border. Further, Mexico needs to start welcoming their own citizens back.

 

You are evading the issue, despite the fact that millions of American jobs are dependent on our trade with Mexico, and loss of that trade would by harmful to the American consumer.

That said, the issue of the post is Trump's duplicity, which is why you evaded that point. If Trump screws up like he did here, to Trump fans it is always someone else's fault like Obama, Clinton ... or Mexico.

 

Thank you for your support and it's worse than you might think. Of course, we now know that Trump's moronic 20% border tax on Mexican goods was taken off the table the very next day due to abject stupidity.

Of great concern to me is Trump's immigration and trading policies. With just a few quick strokes of the pen, Trump on Friday banned -- temporarily, for now -- more than 134 million people from entering the United States. He is suggesting a 20% tariff on all imports to pay for the southern wall. Gone is the idea of Mexico paying for it, which was both a campaign and Presidential promise. In addition, he consistently espouses nationalism. Indeed, his campaign slogan and now Presidential slogan, "make America great again," is the very essence of nationalism. That is combined with Trump's insistence of embarking again on American exceptionalism. He doesn't seem to understand that other nations will react in kind.

Isolationism and nationalism are a dangerous brew. Nationalism caused two world wars and a few other devastating conflicts during the 20th Century. WWI was caused by the assassination of one man. Trump wishes to assault Syria in a quest to destroy ISIS. That could cause a shooting war with Russia. World wars have been started for less. Combine that with Trump's desire to update our nuclear weapons, and you have one very dangerous scenario in the making.

 

So according to you, if Trump's policies cause increased prices to the American consumer, that is perfectly okay with you.

Does supporting Trump cause one to lose his common sense?

 

You didn't prove anything other than that Mexico didn't stop people from riding that train.
Good people who are being raped, killed, etc., by local military power often don't have the ability to carry out the needed revolution.

Requiring people to return to be killed is not something the US and other first world nations have seen as a moral direction for our country.

Mexico is not "transporting them to the border" - you found no more than that Mexico hasn't effectively blocked that method of transport.

"Welcome their own citizens back" - what the heck does THAT mean?

 

And if Trump's policies increase prices to the American consumer and causes lost jobs for the American worker that is perfectly okay with you?

Has support for Trump causing some to lose their minds?

 

Noting that Trump's screwball idea of a 20% border tax on Mexican goods has been taken of the table and he is now suggesting a 20% tariff on all imported goods to pay for the wall, please explain how "a 20% tariff would help us.

 

We'll see what the "final solution" he proposes is, and then go from there.

If it's a 20% tariff on all imported goods, well... that's why Toyota started building cars in Kentucky. That brought jobs to the united states, instead of sending them overseas. That's how it will help us.

 

Yes, but that doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. Making general rank is not easy. There are three generals in Trump's group of advisors.

 

I don't think you disagree with me entirely. We both agree ISIS or ISIL (I was aware of the latter designation, but I bow to contemporary use, ISIS) is a problem for Middle East states and Russia. I'm perfectly happy to keep it that way.

 

In other words, you support isolationism. You support a trade war that will markedly reduce American exports. Our trading partners will retaliate with tariffs of their own.

That short-sighted view in the Trump White House will cause economic distress and affects our national security. Trump believes in American exceptionalism and nationalism. That is a death sentence for our country.

 

Might help those MNCs bring back to the US worker, the value being added in mexico with cheap labor. In other words, it might help to reindustrialize America, fill up that hollowed out part, that once paid living wages to americans. Perhaps those factories we lost to cheaper Mexican labor, will come back to my town, and we start to get the middle class we lost in significant numbers throughout my state.

The drug cartel owns enough of the Mexican corrupt gov't to stay in business. Mexico operates like a back water 3rd world gov't. You literally have to bribe gov't employees to get anything important in mexico. The cartel owns people in positions of power. And this kind of behavior is embedded in the culture itself, and you see it throughout south and central America. If the Spanish had been able to keep America, you would see the same thing in America today instead of what the English created, which ended up being the richest most powerful nation on earth because we had a totally different culture and values which led us to create our form of gov't. What did mexico, central and south America produce? Instability, two class societies, and coups and revolutions being their history . None ever amounted to (*)(*)(*)(*). Our English founders were superior to the Spanish who settled south of our border. Just the fact. Look what it yielded and look what Hispanic culture and people yielded.

 

During the past eight years under Obama, Obama has purged the officers corps of its warriors and those who weren't yes men, Gen. Mad Dog Mattis was one of those purged by Obama, forced into early retirement.

If you were a field grade or flag officer and you weren't a yes man, you kept your mouth shut or you would be purged even if it required a witch hunt to find a reason for the Obama White House to fire you.

No one is saying that the current JCOS don't know what they are talking about but they are Obama's yes men and when they did open their mouths in public or even in front of Congress they said what Obama wanted to hear, or they were fired.

As you may have already noticed from Trump's VP to his cabinet appointments and White House staff, Trump hasn't surround himself with yes men.

No successful leader surrounds himself with yes man. No general, admiral all the way down to a butter bar don't surround themselves with yes men if they want to win on the battlefield.

 

US manufacturing output has continued to rise, except for the Bush crash/2008.

It is manufacturing employment that has had especially low growth.

So, blaming slow manufacturing employment growth on businesses leaving the US is nonsense.

The 2008 crash put especially harsh pressure on corporations to learn how to earn profit with far fewer employees - in many instances the most significant cost cutting direction they could take. They have NOT forgotten those lessons, as it means greater profit.

That period also includes serious focus on automation - a way to not hire employees, yet make a profit.



Moaning about Mexico really doesn't contribute anything to this discussion.

 

What, exporting empty cargo containers ???

You are aware that empty cargo sea containers are counted as being an American an export.

A Third Of All Containers Shipped From Long Beach Port Are Empty -> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-14/third-all-containers-shipped-port-long-beach-are-empty

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Yes, I support isolationism until we can get trade deals that protect our markets from those that we can't compete with.

But then, that's another one of those things that Trump ran and won on, so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody.

 

So, we import produce and export airplanes.

And, then you count cargo containers!!!

Brilliant!

That's sure to confuse some idiots out there.