Trump: "I don't want to cut entitlements."

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We should increase military spending and slash social spending by 90% and abolish the federal income tax and institute a national sales tax.

 

having a min wage works

 

So we agree that free market capitalism must have limitations. Okay that's a start.

Find a way to bring those jobs home? Why did they leave in the first place? Lower wages, lower operating costs, lower or no local taxes, less environmental and workplace regulations, "favorable" governments and bureaucrats, proximity to needed raw materials, etc.

So, how do you compete with actual free market forces? Lower your standards to theirs? How do you reduce your production costs to such a degree that you can have american workers compete when the average mexican or Indian competitive worker earns 6 times LESS than american workers?

Something tells me that cutting wages for american workers might not be the "terrific" solution promised.

 

I agree completely there are solutions to the SS issue down the road. The problem will be agreeing on which one to choose.

 

to compete with them we would need to make sure our currency to theirs was equal and we required them to treat their employees like we do our, saftey, ect...

if they were not equal, then we would need to artificially make them equal... then the choice becomes who is more qualified

corp greed is why outsourcing started, a few corps at first then everyone else had to do it to compete cause the gov did not stop it early on

cutting wages is not the answer, evening the playing field is the answer


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And how exactly do you force other nations to adopt american laws and standards?

Artificially make them equal? You mean with tariffs and duties? history has more or less definitively proven that PROTECTIONISM doesn't work as a cornerstone trade policy.

Like i said, I'm all for the goal, but how exactly is Trump actually going to make it happen?

haven't heard any plausible strategy other than Donnie saying it will be terrific, I'll hire smart people, I'll negotiate the crap out them, "believe me they'll co-operate" bullcrap.

Music to the ears of white nationalists and the uninformed.

 

you require that American corps can only deal with foreign corps that meet those standards, they want our business, they comply

if they do not comply the jobs come back home, win\win

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You have put your finger on what is probably Trump's biggest vulnerability -- the fact that he won't take a position and then stick with it! Notice how he finessed his answer: "I don't want to cut entitlements, no. I don't want to...."

But, based on the way he has already totally flipped and flopped with amazing speed on a number of issues, why should anybody believe that he wouldn't cut EARNED entitlements anyway? As a hard-core fiscal Conservative, I'd say that we can cut all the UNEARNED handouts to the bone! We can throw people out on their asses who signed up for "disability" using lies and fraud. We can cut off all welfare except to people who genuinely cannot support themselves because of things like birth defects, serious illness, terrible injuries, etc. But under no circumstances should any president or political party try to screw people who have paid all their lives and EARNED their benefits!

So, then what if we elect Trump as president and he pulls another one of his 180-degree flip-flops, saying -- "Whoops! I guess we're going to have to starting cutting benefits, even to people who were forced to pay into these government systems all their lives. Gee, I don't want to, but, well, that's what I'm going to do"...?! . At this point, I simply do not have enough confidence in Trump to believe that he would not do something like that.

Conversely, I can't believe that any Democrat would ever try to pull anything like that. We've seen that Bernie Sanders actually wants to provide more funding for larger Social Security payouts, and even a manipulative, deceptive skunk like Hillary Clinton knows that the Democrat Party would be committing political suicide if it ever tried to screw people on Social Security. Baby Boomers, who number 80,000,000, and who always show up in huge percentages for elections, are watching all of this like a hawk! Political sentiment is one thing, BUT, getting benefits that you have worked all your life for is another! If Trump expects to get those Boomer votes, he'd better take a position on EARNED entitlements, cast it in concrete, and then drive it all the way to bedrock, or there will be enough doubt about his sincerity to ruin his campaign.

 

Not without a cost. There are negative consequences.

 

there is also negative consequences with not raising the min wage enough to keep up with inflation

 

I don't disagree but I think the larger impediment to growth is excessive regulation. Trump has emoted this.

Let's talk stage of the election. Trump's job one is for Trump to win the primary. He at this point doesn't have to get in to the boring wonky crap. It's the primary time only to build a base and make sure he out preforms the other Republican candidates.

At this point it's about keeping it simple. Complex plans at this point will alienate. Some folks want a flat tax vs lowering current tax but removing the deductions, getting into the fine points at this time is counter productive.

Cheers
Labour

 

You can't eat your family home.

 

Seriously? That wouldn't prompt an exodus of American companies to other jurisdictions?
How do you "require" such? What would the penalties be for non-compliance? How would this economic policy be enforced and by what agency? Seems to me that corporations could tie up such government actions in court for decades.

 

i dont think we need to cut SS. Besides there are other things we can do for the money. I mean Trump really does not favor wars unless he cana get an economic benefit for the US (i.e. paid to go to war) so you wouldnt need that much military budget anyway as your operating expenses go down.

 

You mean how about underfunding a program that you claim is already underfunded?

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ALL Trump wants to do is win the primary.

And then all he's going to want is to win the Oval Office.

He has no actual plans. He'll "work that out later".

I wonder what they would be......

 

Can we just be honest about this for once? Every election we get the "I'm going to cut this, reform this" mantra & it never happens. Sure, someone will write a reform bill, get a few sponsors knowing full well it's DOA. You really think any one of the candidates is going to get enough support to cut SS, end COLA or reform Medicare in any meaningful way? Hell no they're not! So, why waste time even going down that road? It's a waste of time.

 

any corp that leaves America is taxed extra high for import to America, any that are too big a impact to America we just do not allow to leave

 

I never claimed it was under funded.

I've claimed that it was a pay-as-you-go bureaucratic scam, but never underfunded.

 

I object to our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror being listed under social spending and should be listed under defense spending.

 

Interesting mutation of the free market philosophy. Discriminatory protectionist trade policy against selected american corporations.

I find the right rather amusing. On the one hand they abhor "big government" meddling in their business and taking their money, and on the other, perfectly willing to meddle in the free market and increase taxes.

Seems neither the right nor the left is ideologically pure. Some might even say hypocritical.

 

only protected if you choose to stay in America, if you sell out America, we sell you out

 

Defense spending only accounts for about 16% of total federal spending. Social programs account for over 60% of total spending.

 

any alleged War should be under defense spending, not social spending. you need to re-do your math.

 

I could go along with that if I had any faith at all in Wall Street and the banks. But, alas, I do not. Those are places for extra cash you don't want to waste on the ponies.

 

Hear, hear!