Trump: "I don't want to cut entitlements."

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is legally keeping profits off shore a sell out of America? How is exercising basic capitalist principles a sell out of America?

    Seems you have no problem with direct government intervention to mitigate free market forces. You have no problem with trade protectionism and the artificial market manipulations that comes with such.
     
  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you have to ask.....

    just like I have no issue with speed limits and other rules of the road.....

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  3. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So free markets are not something you support, unless you do.

    funny how many on the right don't want the government involved in healthcare, but do want them involved in building barriers to international trade and commerce and punishing capitalists for being capitalists.
     
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if they benefit the country I support them

    just like I do not support a 75mph speed limit in front of a school

    if somethign hurts out country, we can create laws to limit it or equal the playing field
     
  5. Lesh

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    And he's going to "grow the economy" by reneging on our debt to Mexico?

    He was pretty specific about doing that...
     
  6. Lesh

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    Those Social programs just happen to be Social Security and Medicare for the most part.

    Gonna kick the elderly to the curb?

    Gonna take that safety net away from millennials after saddling them with huge college debt?
     
  7. GreenBayMatters

    GreenBayMatters Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How typical of a Progressive. Tax people to pay for a service, then after they pay for it, they say you can't have what you paid for. Do you ever listen to yourself
     
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    GreenBayMatters Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Both Social Security and Medicare our Ponzi schemes and as such will go broke. These are progressive plans were inflicted on the public based on out and out lies. News flash, the elderly were doomed to be "kicked to the curb" as soon as it passed. Those that don't agree with that assessment are intellectually dishonest. QED

    GOP saddled millennials with huge college debt? I'd like you to prove that. Another lie from you people. Whole campaign based on lies? Typical.

    The progressives where the inspiration for the book "Politics for Dummies"
     
  9. FreshAir

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    lets create a war tax and separate out the costs of the military (no caps for the rich) applies to all income, including investment income

    anyone that is or was actively in the service is exempt from paying the tax for life

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    He will get the blame because liberals never accept an ounce of accountability for anything they do wrong.
     
  11. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lefties have a comprehension problem, period.

    If its not in their dogmatic talking points, it does not exist.

    Its hard for them to imagine anyone doing better than the lowest common denominator.
     
  12. DivineComedy

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    Same thing if you lower the FICA tax because the economy is in the dumps, it runs out of money, same thing if you don’t have enough working and making enough because you can’t "manage" a business. If there are enough jobs for the population, that pay reasonable for our standards of living, there is no problem with “insurance” type entitlements. If the jobs are delivered and things managed, and the right taxes paid, and not the wrong taxes lowered, no problem.

    Same as an "opt out":
    “The truth here is that Obama has lowered taxes for all workers through a 2 percentage point reduction in the Social Security payroll tax that started in 2011 and is scheduled to continue through the end of 2012. The cut is equal to $1,000 this year for a worker making $50,000 a year — or as much as $2,202 to any worker earning at least the maximum taxable level of wages or salary ($110,100 for 2012).” http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/a-bogus-tax-attack-against-obama/

    Those that simply want to cut insurance premiums, an "opt out," do not know how to manage to pay for it.
     
  13. MolonLabe2009

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    Like allowing the people the choice to opt-out.

    It's called freedom.
     
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    No, it's called "We want to destroy Social Security and Medicare"....you often slip-up and admit it, but most Rightwingers try to deny that's their goal....because they know it's electoral sucide given the elderly nature of so many Republican voters.
     
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    Might be hard to calculate what the percentage would have to be for those putting in, to cover for those who opt out...but sure. If a rewrite is in the cards for new enrolls, then those who calculate such things might want to consider it.

    I dont really have an issue with the possibility of opting out, or other rule changes for new enrolls. If the system needs a rewrite..so be it...I just dont want to see people who have been in, get screwed now by changing the rules on them.

    You cant for instance tell someone who has been putting in all along, and is now 61....that he needs to bump back his planned retirement to 67+ because the system is short. It's not his fault it came up short.
     
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    lol you obviously havent been paying attention.

    Why spew crap everyone knows to be totally false?
     
  17. Lesh

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    If they're Ponzi schemes (which they aren't) they have incredibly long lifespans.

    In fact simply raising the payroll cap on payroll deductions makes Social Security solvent basically .......read this slowly......FOREVER.

    As far as college loans...who took the federal funding for college tuition away?

    A HUGE portion of our parents were college educated on the government dime after WWII ya know...and that continued right into the 80s.

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    I heard him say exactly that on my own little TV
     
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    He never said that, and we dont even have a debt with Mexico.

    He was talking about a 58 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico, and a 500 billion dollar trade deficit with China.

    All that means is we lose 58 billion when trading with Mexico and 500 billion when trading with China every year.

    So why bother trading when we lose 558 billion a year? does that sound like a good deal to you?
     
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    oh you guys can 100% make the next health care bill, I am sure that is the only way to get the right to keep trying to make it better, because if they are last to touch it.... it's all theirs
     
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    Unlike Democrats, maybe we can get everyone to agree on what the next health care bill should be.
     
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    Where in the constitution does it say that bills must pass with a unanimous vote?
     
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    Think about the word, "entitlement". "Entitlement" has been taken (especially by radical, socialist Democrats) to mean the same thing as WELFARE, but it is NOT!

    There are several different dynamics at work, but all you ever hear about from the "news" media is how more and more Baby Boomers are leaving the workforce and beginning to collect their Social Security. Even if that is all we consider, the Social Security system is sustained until at least the year 2032.

    The problem is that through the years, those same radical, socialist Democrats made it possible for people who did NOT pay into the system to get monthly payments FROM Social Security. That was completely and entirely wrong, and that is part of what needs to be changed. The answer is NOT to try to screw people who were forced to pay into these government "entitlement" systems all their working lives! Do you see that?

    The answer is to get all the moochers, fraudsters, and others who paid little or nothing into these systems OFF of them -- period. I'm hoping that President Trump takes a simple, direct approach to this because it is not hard to fix. If YOU paid into the system, then YOU get to collect, exactly as the system was set up. And, if YOU didn't pay into the system, then YOU don't get to collect from it.

    *** It's amazing how much less burdened a system can be when you remove all the crap from it that never should have been attached to it in the first place.... *** :smile:
     
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    It dies. It is insurance that can't be opted out of or you take your money and pass it on without people paying without collecting. There does not have to be a cut in entitlements, if enough people are put to work to pay for it instead of killing each other in Chicago...and if robots do all the work, those that own them must pay. That last part, is the hardest for a conservative to get.
     
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    Eliminating outrageous spending =/= 'Cutting government entitlements'

    Could you be any more dramatic?
     
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    Well you called it!
     

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