Trump is not a well man

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    I see, so you think it is smart for a Republican President to attack Republican Senators. You and Trump deserve each other.

    Just about the dumbest thing Trump does is declare open warfare on the news media. Few Presidents have gotten along with the media, but a smart President doesn't engage in open warfare with the media. Why? Because the media has a voice a thousand fold over any politician. Trump not only is a sick man, he is a stupid man.

    A few weeks ago Trump issued an official Presidential statement declaring that transgender people are no longer welcome in the military. The chiefs of staff and SecDef Mattis simply have ignored him. They know Trump is not a well man.

    Yes, I agree, attacking Chinese leadership at the time was just plain stupid.

    An official Presidential statement is not just a suggestion. Unless, of course, you agree with me that Trump is a moron and his statements should best be ignored.

    And many of them are.
     
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    On Saturday, Trump issued a statement blaming both sides for the violence in Charlottesville despite the fact that heavily armed members of the KKK, white supremacists groups, alt-right white nationalists, and neo-Nazis virtually invaded the town. His comments created an uproar, and he was attacked from all sides, including members of his own party. Even his family disagreed with him.

    Three days after the protests by the right wing extremists began, on Monday Trump read a prepared statement blaming the KKK, white supremacists, and neo-Nazis. They were not his words, but the words of an unknown speechwriter because what he was saying was not what he felt.

    Even though he was very late with the carefully crafted remarks, criticism died down and only liberals were still complaining. His supporters could say, yeah, he was late, but he said the right things ... finally. It should have ended there.

    A normal person would let it go, but not Donald J. Trump. His arrogant, narcissistic, paranoid persona could not forget the two days of abuse where it seemed everyone around him were saying he was wrong. On Tuesday he lashed out with an unscripted rant, saying he really didn't mean what he said Monday. He reverted back to Saturday's statement. Once again he blamed the townspeople defending their city as much as the heavily armed extremists for the carnage in Charlottesville.

    Now he lost everyone. In addition to Democrats, members of his own party vilified him. Business leaders left his councils in droves, and he was forced to disband them even though they were disbanding themselves. His top economic advisor, Gary Cohn, differed with him in the strongest terms. Cohn is Jewish. The chiefs of staff never get involved in politics. They did after Trump's rant, sharply differing with his views on Charlottesville.

    Because of his uncontrolled arrogance and feelings of superiority, Trump thinks he can do anything he wants, say anything he wants. He is the President. He is the boss. In a way, he is right. What he fails to realize is that he really isn't the boss and there is a terrible price to pay for unwarranted and unwise statements and actions.

    Why is that true? It is quite simple. Trump is not a well man.
     
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    I read that wrong, disregard previous edit...

    The news media is dying and Trump is finishing it off

    Republican leadership is full of RINOs, globalists, neocons and hacks who exist to leach off the taxpayer.

    Trump is just supporting what the military leadership tells him- that trans attitude is typically not conducive to military cohesion and compromises the strength of our greatest military asset- our troops.

    Its precisely a suggestion unless he makes it an executive order, which prolly isnt even within his power (and shouldnt be).
     
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    I see, the entire Republican Party, including the chairwoman of the RNC who has backed Trump on every ridiculous tweet, now consists of RINO's. Doesn't that strike you as a bit strange? Isn't it possible that Trump, who was a N.Y. Democrat prior to becoming a Republican nominee, is at odds with the Republican Party. Isn't it possible that the entire GOP are not RINO's, but Trump is.

    Every Presidential order has to be in the form of an executive order? That is ludicrous. He is the Commander-in-Chief. He can simply give SecDef Mattis or the Chiefs of Staffs their marching orders and they are obligated to comply with the President.

    Unless that President is Trump, of course.

    Can't you see it? Your arguments in support of Trump are getting more and more ridiculous as you get more desperate to defend Trump who is proving every day that he is incompetent.
     
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    I never said 'entire.'

    Theres a few I find sincere and respectable on both sides of the aisle. But by and large they're parasites or worse.

    Trump was a Dem before he was a Pub cuz hes not 'party loyal' and neither am I. He just had to pick one to have a shot at winning.

    And yes, in matters of making law, Trump can not simply 'order' anything. As far as senate rules go, I could be mistaken, but Im pretty sure a vote is required.
     
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    Trump said on Tuesday that before he makes a statement on an important matter he likes to "know the facts" and "be correct." On Thursday, he responded to the Barcelona terror attack by spreading a 20-year old debunked urban legend.

    "Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught," Trump urged his 36.1 million Twitter followers. "There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!" :roflol::roll:

    There can be no more of a stronger indicator that Trump is losing it.

    Now the White House will clamor he really didn't mean it. He was being sarcastic. He was joking. That sorry excuse wore itself out seven months ago. It was a lousy excuse when he was a candidate for President. As President, the excuse is further proof that he is incompetent.
     
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    No, I did. Name me one Republican in Congress who supports Trump's remarks in his Tuesday rant. Name me one Republican governor.
     
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    No clue. I dont really care whether they do or not. Trump was elected by The People, not congress or governors.
     
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    Pershing wrote...These juramentado were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that the Mohammedans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to take such measures but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins.
     
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    This is our President speaking.

    Not at all. I think the country — look, you take a look. I've created over a million jobs since I'm president. The country is booming, the stock market is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers we've ever had in the history of our country. We're doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm. So, the head of Wal-Mart, whom I know, who is a very nice guy, was making a political statement. I mean, I do it the same way. You know why? Because I want to make sure, when I make a statement that the statement is correct, and there was no way — there was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters — unlike a lot of reporters. I know, David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts, and the facts as they started coming out were very well-stated. In fact, everybody said his statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good. I couldn't have made it sooner because I didn't know all of the facts. Frankly, people still don't know all of the facts. It was very important — excuse me, excuse me. It was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly, because if I would have made a fast statement — and the first statement was made without knowing much other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made with knowledge, with great knowledge. There's still things — excuse me, there's still things that people don't know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I wanted to know the facts. Okay. :roflol::roll:
     
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    Trump was not elected by The People. 90 million eligible voters did not vote in 2016 Presidential election. That is nearly 30 million more than those who voted for Trump. No doubt those voters now rue their decision. Many of those who voted for Trump were not Republicans. Most of Trump's support came from anarchists and white blue collar workers without a college education and who were disenchanted with the federal government. Thus, the "drain the swamp" mantra. Most Republicans favored the establishment, like me. Trump didn't even win the popular vote. As bad as Clinton was, she still got nearly three million more votes than Trump. That says a lot about Trump.

    I see you tacitly agree with me that Trump is being abandoned by the Republican Party. Good thinking. To argue otherwise would be foolish.
     
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    Granted. Your point?
     
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    With the dismissal of the alt-right spokesman from the White House, Steve Bannon, there are times the Trump White House appears comical. Bannon joins a long list of Trump's inner circle who are now gone. Trump has been President for seven chaotic months.

    But here is the fun part. Some of the Republican President's closest advisors are Democrats. :roflol:

    They include Jared Kushner, his wife and Trump's Jewish daughter, Ivanka, Gary Cohn, Trump's economic adviser, and Steve Mnuchin, Trump's secretary of the treasury. Prior to joining the Trump campaign, Trump was a N.Y. Democrat. Prior to joining the Trump campaign, Manuchin contributed 11 donations to Republicans and 36 donations to Democrats. He supported the campaigns of Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Barack Obama.

    Three of Trump's closest advisors are apolitical. They are generals, chief of staff Kelly, SecDef Mattis, and NSA McMasters.

    Is it any wonder Trump has declared war against Republicans and vice versa?

    Yup, Trump can be a barrel of laughs sometimes.
     
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    I think your view on Trumps base is heavily influenced by deceiptful establishment propaganda... and I wouldnt exactly agree that establishment republican leaders are abandonning Trump, but rather never supported him in the first place. Trump is and always was the anti-establishment choice, and they only ever feigned support because it was that or face their constituents who support(ed) Trump. With every new scandal the establishment manufactures, they jump at the opportunity to turncoat... and always end up turning back when the scandal innevitably turns out to be nothingburger. His base isnt as dumb as you think. They can see this. Its made up of people of all colors, cultures, ethnicities and ideologies that are fed up with the establishment, especially those 'republicans' within the establishment that blatantly and reliably represent Big Corpa over The People and have been displaying their allegiance (or lack thereof) quite openly. I expect the 2018 elections are going to see a lot of Pub encumbents cast out and replaced with sincere constitutionalists who arent professional 'established' politicians.
     
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    No, they are based solely on the comments made by Trump's base on this forum. My assessment of his base may not apply to you, but it does apply to the majority of his base. Allow me to provide an example.

    This comment was from a diehard Trump fan. He said, "Republican lawmakers are cowards and incompetent. Of course they are freaking out. We elected trump to counter those losers. The generals are doing just fine, except for those looking to land a comfortable politician gig in the near future. They are a bit panicked because trump is upsetting the status quo.

    "Trump is doing exactly what we elected him to do. All of Washington should panic. The status quo is being destroyed."

    The latter is what I have been saying about Trump supporters for months.

    The former is eerily similar to what you said. "I wouldn't exactly agree that establishment republican leaders are abandoning Trump, but rather never supported him in the first place. Trump is and always was the anti-establishment choice, and they only ever feigned support because it was that or face their constituents who support(ed) Trump."
     
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    Congress and governors are citizens of America, they vote, too.
     
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    What are you talking about?

    Take for example Trump's rant on Tuesday. As a consequence, Republican lawmakers, Trump business associates in the administration, members of his staff, even the generals are abandoning him and condemning his remarks.

    Are you saying this is a manufactured scandal?

    Be specific and explain the manufactured scandals you are talking about.
     
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    Every single one of them up til now, and soon, this one too.

    'Grab em by the *****'- no one cared
    'PeePeeGate'- fake news
    'Tax Evasion'- nothingburger
    'David Duke'- debunked
    'Russian Collusion'- nothingburger
    im sure I missed some.

    With the emergence of each of these, establishment 'republican' lawmakers and representatives collectively turn on Trump hoping there will be just enough public support that they can abandon him without losing their constituents, and every time, they find out that there isnt and they shut their mouth and go back to pretending to support the president to keep their jobs, while obstructing everything he tries to do.

    But I dont think they are going to keep their jobs. I think this is the last term for many of them. They've shown their hand, their allegiance and whom they represent, and it isnt their constituents nor the president their constituents elected.
     
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