"Trump just tweeted that “crime in Germany is way up.”

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  1. zbr6

    zbr6 Banned

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    It wouldn't fit because the incidents are too well known due to their rarity whereas migrant, BLM, ANTIFA, and alike incidents are so numerous they just all become one giant cesspool.
     
  2. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Go ahead, prove them wrong.

    We both know you can't. All you can do is attack the source with no evidence they are wrong as usual.

    Their sources

    1. Jacob Poushter, “European Opinions of the Refugee Crisis in 5 Charts,” Pew Research Center, September 16, 2016, http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/16/european-opinions-of-the-refugee-crisis-in-5-charts/ (accessed January 25, 2018). 2. Chris Osuh, “The Making of a Monster: How Manchester Boy Salman Abedi Became a Mass Murderer,” Manchester Evening News, September 17, 2017, https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...salman-abedi-manchester-arena-bomber-13601393 (accessed March 9, 2018). Libyans who had fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s and aspired to create an Islamic state in Libya formed the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. It was once affiliated with al-Qaeda but broke with the group and, in December 2015, the U.S. State Department removed it from its list of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations. 3. Unpublished data that expands upon Robin Simcox, “European Islamist Plots and Attacks Since 2014—and How the U.S. Can Help Prevent Them,” Heritage Foundation Backgrounder No. 3236, August 1, 2017, http://www.heritage.org/europe/repo...cks-2014-and-how-the-us-can-help-prevent-them. 4. Bojan Pancevski, “Open Door to Migrants Makes Germany Terror Hub of Europe,” The Times, November 5, 2017, https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cc4a08b0-c18a-11e7-9a87-d1b2efaf80f8 (accessed March 26, 2018). 5. “Germany Bomb Threat: Jaber al-Bakr ‘Caught by Three Syrians,’” BBC News, October 10, 2016, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37606947 (accessed March 20, 2018). 6. Segments of this data relate to pending court cases. In such cases, the author hypothesizes that prosecution claims will be borne out, but this Backgrounder does not explore the details of any case or offer any judgment.


    Can't wait for you to actually read them and show where they are wrong.
     
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  3. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    What a shocker you would support a fascist infringement on Constitutional rights just because you don't agree with how someone voted.

    So typical.
     
  4. Caligula

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    Gatestone is clearly anti-German, anti-European, anti-center, anti-center left, anti-everything that’s not conservative and American and that article is no exception. Far away from reliable or objective journalism. Unfortunately, there’s no shortage of clueless fools taking the bait. Gatestone usually work in a pretty subtle way, they use hyperlinks to create the impression of using reliable sources and try to appear trustworthy.

    Let’s deconstruct this with one example. Gatestone claim, “The director of the Criminal Police Association, André Schulz, estimates that up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany do not appear in the official statistics.” The hyperlink is in the gatestone article.
    This clearly implies that authorities know about these alleged 90%, but cover up these cases and deliberately keep them out of official statistics.
    Funny thing is, Mr. Andre Schulz never said that, despite gatestone claiming otherwise. What he really said is, “Regarding sex offences and cybercrime, 90% of all cases are not reported.” (Im Bereich der Sexualdelikte und des Cybercrime werden über 90% der Taten gar nicht angezeigt.)
    https://www.bdk.de/der-bdk/aktuelle...istik-2014-vorgestellt-mehr-taeter-mehr-taten

    ‘Not reported’ means the victim/wronged party doesn’t report anything to the police. It doesn’t mean police know of these cases, but keep them out of official statistics - big difference.
    Mr. Schulz doesn’t say where he got the number of 90% from or what his estimation is based upon, he doesn’t mention any sources for his claims whatsoever.
    Gatestone has deliberately changed the context here the way they always do.

    It's also interesting to look at Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter which Mr Schulz chairs.
    There are two police unions in Germany.
    Gewerkschaft der Polizei (trade union of the police) 185,000 members and
    Deutsche Polizeigewerkschaft (German police trade union) 94,000 members.
    Then there is Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter (Criminal Police Association), 15,000 members. This association is not an official union but a registered association/society.
    Their chairman in the 70s (Rolf Grunert) was a communist GDR spy who was debunked and imprisonent in 1978. I’m not making this up. One of his successors, Klaus Jansen, called for firm internet control laws and regulations the way China uses them.
    Their current chairman, Mr Andre Schulz, has been criticized in public by several members of parliament who said Schulz had an “utterly absurd understanding of the law” and a “highly disturbed relationship towards democracy.” Of course, the average american gatestone reader doesn't know any German and is completely unaware of the way they distort the story to make it fit their agenda.
     
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    No, but I could just use pictures of white supremacists and rightwingers in other countries and then deny any opposing statistics as “obviously redacted” and you’d have to agree white supremacist Rightwing violence is a major problem on the rise.

    Or is this one of those things where it’s okay for you to do but not for others?
     
  6. zbr6

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    You can if you want I'm just trying to tell you its not going to land like you think it will.

    If there was some mass inundation of savage Whites into a nation followed by across the board increases in violent crimes then that would be a different matter.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    And how did you think using pictures of violence from places that aren’t Germany was going to land?
     
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    How does a numerous nearly unending supply of photographs and videos depicting consistent and regular occurrences of migrant violence land in discourse where the subject is migrant violence?

    It lands like a precision guided MOAB that no amount of head burying can resist.
     
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  9. Zorro

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    The actual number of migrant-related sex crimes in Germany, however, is believed to be far higher than the official number. For instance, the BKA data includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). On average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote), according to police statistics.

    The director of the Criminal Police Association (Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter, BDK), André Schulz, estimates that up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany do not appear in the official statistics.

    German police frequently omit any references to migrants in crime reports. When they do, they often refer to migrant criminals with politically correct euphemisms such as "southerners" (Südländer), men with "dark skin" (dunkelhäutig, dunklere Gesichtsfarbe, dunklem Hauttyp) or a combination of the two: "southern skin color" (südländische Hautfarbe). This practice, apparently aimed at delinking the attackers with Islam, makes it virtually impossible for German citizens to help police identify suspects.

    "There is a strict order by the authorities to not report on crimes committed by refugees," a high-ranking police official in Frankfurt told Bild. "Only specific requests from media representatives about such acts are to be answer

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12066/germany-rape-crisis
     
  10. Wild Horses

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    Nope, which is why your posts are never taken seriously.
     
  11. Questerr

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    I’m betting I can find a near endless supply of photographs of violent white people. Since you already established that the country they are from and the context don’t matter, you should accept them as proof.
     
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    Is there any chance that immigrant-loving-Germany could step up to the plate and welcome in those who are illegally trying to enter the United States? We could fly them over to you. Could be a superb win-win situation.
     
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    You still haven't presented any evidence. Too scared, huh? That's ok.
     
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    The OP makes it abundantly clear that crime in Germany is at the lowest point since the 70s. Trying to twist one year worth of data, published in January, to support his xenophobic and anti-merkel agenda that was made this weekend is where you arise to the level of lying.
     
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    The only evidence you presented is the fact when you increase the population, crime goes up. You aren't proving that refugees or immigrants are more likely to commit crime compared to the native population.
     
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    Not so, I believe my own conclusions drawn from information to hand. It's like when I find out someone has lied to me . . . I'll never believe them afterwards: hitherto I haven't caught the Russians lying, but on the other hand I've lost count of western officials doing so, the most recent lie being the Salisbury incident. And before that, the supposed chemical attack in Raqqa.
     
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    See mine to ronv below? [​IMG] I mean above.
     
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    Proof of what? ...that people are violent?

    Friendo, nobody needs that proven to them because we're all quite aware of it.

    You need to try and stay more relevant to the circumstance at hand here which is: The vast migration of uncivilized peoples from lawless 3rd world cesspools into overly generous 1st world nations without any expectations of assimilation or demands of contribution resulting in a gross across the board surge in crimes both violent and petty.

    Now if you would like to present an instance such as that where the uncivilized peoples were White then by all means Questerr do so.

    But if you just want to strip away all of the relevant factors and come at me with "<insert blah blah White people non sequitur>" then, no offence bud, I'm just going to chuckle at your attempt and move on.
     
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  19. truth and justice

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    That statistic applies to every country in the world!. Only dumb people think that all crimes are reported to police. Are you dumb?

    You hero Trump stated that he sexually assaults women, which is a sex crime you know
     
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    Oh sure he does! But, that makes German Girls fair game for the 'Lions of Allah". Great "Thinking"!
     
  22. archives

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    Now is this like the rise in the Stock Market during the Obama years was only a bubble, and any positive economic numbers at the same time were fiction created by the Government?

    Conservatives just have to have an existential threat, if facts aren't going there way then the facts are fiction, it is the same scenario everytime
     
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    So your stupid and pissed off.
    Imagine my shock.
     
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    I've come to the conclusion,
    That the left is suicidal and has no care for their offspring.
    Oh wait !
    If your poking your swizzle stick in some random bunghole we should take you seriously.
    The real world stears clear of the sneaky little but fackers.
     
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    WTH? Can you try, just a little, to stay on topic?
     

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