Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

BREAKING: Iranian Foreign Minister says Iran will launch "legal measures" at the international level to "hold US to account" for the killing of Soleimani. "It was clearly a terrorist action," he said - Al Jazeera

WWIII just turned into an international parking ticket.

 

This has all been discussed months ago. At some time the US will need to invade not least due to Iran having about as good air defence as the US has air power so they will need to invade. At that time the US will find themselves in a Vietnam type situation. Iran will not play by the rules of war. They will play for survival. The US could be in there for twenty years or more - and to be frank we likely all will be kicking the bucket due to the climate emergency by then. That is what we should be working on now, not war.

 

BREAKING: Iranian Foreign Minister says Iran will launch "legal measures" at the international level to "hold US to account" for the killing of Soleimani. "It was clearly a terrorist action," he said - Al Jazeera

WWIII just turned into an international parking ticket.

The left will be sads.

 

If it's to rid the world of the Iranian mullahs some sacrifice has to be made.
Since nation building won't be an option, and since the ROE have change I don't see that many soldiers being sacrificed for nothing. Overwelming firepower is a nice solution to that problem.

 

Their air defenses are on par with what syria has and they were not that effective against the Israeli air raids... Beside, those SAM site will be the first to go in smoke.

 

Who's sitting on the security council again?

 

So when Trump gets re-elected, and he does not have to impress voters anymore, and he has nothing to lose, and he thinks nuclear weapons are so controllable you can deal with tornados by bombing them. Then there are no constraints stopping Trump initiating a nuclear attack. If he can impulsively internally says to himself 'fuggit, I'll grab that woman by the *****', then he can impulsively say 'fuggit I'll nuke China as they're going to be richer than the USA'.
I reckon they ought to give Trump a fake plastic nuclear button, all red and shiny under a glass dome. with a tiny golden key he can hang round his neck, or an emergency golden hammer next to the glass dome. An say the nuclear codes are held in confidence by Stormy Daniels.
Then we can all have a bit of a laugh in the nanosecond we have before being (pretend) vaporised.

 

Why do you think the left would have a problem with that and I am not a 'the' anything - not even from the US. works differently outside the US. I think you are projecting onto this 'left'. You believe that they want the same as you but just to different people. That is how the 'right' on this forum tends to come over. My experience is that what you call 'the left' generally prefer non violence.

 

I kinda feel sorry for the left.

 

Yet they are defending a terrorist country. Go figure.

 

No I'm not. The militia were the people killed in war. The protesters are separate. The article I posted makes that clear.

 

I didn't murder anyone or do any war acts.

The protesters damaged embassy property and threatened embassy employees.

The Iranian general we killed was a murderer, of Americans and others.

 

If they keep messing with us they better get used to it.

 

No you are quite wrong there. They may have some like Syria has but they have an enormous amount of other things. It is known the US could not easily destroy their air defences. I have read US military writers saying this. This really is a totally different ball game to what the US has been playing and unfortunately her people in general do not seem to know. Iran has had decades to get things ready and they are ready. They also will be attacking the US - bases and what not and Saudi Arabia from the beginning. Possibly they are going to leave Israel to others. Your military know that only a fool would take on Iran. The Israeli military know that only a fool would take on Iran. That is why a deal, possibly a compromise was worked out to try and feel safe with Iran. Trump of course reneged on it so the US is moving towards war.

 

Bin Laden was a terrorist, while the General Soleimani fought the terrorists in Syria - and defeated them. He is a national hero, and was killed not by an individual, but by a foreign government. If anything is a cause for war, that would be it. There is nothing that unites people more, than an attack on their sovereignty or on one of their leaders or heroes.

The insult and unjustness to Iran is immense, so if Trump thought, or was told by others that it would bring about a change in the Iranian government, he or they are sadly mistaken. What Trump really did, was empower the Mullahs even more so. Now they have all the Iranian people behind them.

Stupidity is as stupidity does.

 

Agreed. Completely. He was a terrorist. But people are thinking ahead...what are the repercussions? What was the intelligence leading up to it? And where did it come from? Trump (and his supporters here) think the intelligence community in the US is a disaster - yet he just made a statement saying it was the best in the world. I'm not sorry about the assassination - I am, however, concerned for the lives of Americans around the world and the retribution that will surely follow.

 

You are the people who have been messing with them. There was a deal done which would have allowed for peace and good communication in the ME. Your President through it in the bin. I hear he was told that Iran would come running to offer anything the US offered and Trump would be considered a Peace Maker. Very easy to manipulate a narcissist but the US is the one in the wrong here and has been since it gave up on the Iran Nuclear deal and the whole world knows it.

I think it is time for the US to go home and leave the people of the Mid East in peace. You do not need any more oil with the climate emergency. Get going with renewables. They are far cheaper once they get going anyway.

 

Good for you. I am not of the left, I am commenting on Trumps impulsiveness. Impulsive about grabbing women, and likely to be impulsive about grabbing the button that destroys the planet.

 

You're wrong.
Iran is pretty much defensless.

 

The US killed an Iranian leader responsible for thousands of US soldier deaths and the deaths of thousands of people in the ME. No more, no less. Why was Suleimani in Iraq ??

 

Exactly. Iran's economy is in shambles, there is widespread rioting in their streets, and the Iranian people are tired of being governed by a theocracy. The actions of Trump in killing the worst proponents of killing Iranian citizens protesting this gives support to the protestors who realize that the US lead by Trump is on their side. This is unlike the moron aka Obama who would not offer even verbal support to the Iranian protesters in 2009.

 

The Pentagon and Sec. of Defense is not "a small Trump group".

The motive was clear....death of an American citizen and the attack on the embassy.

Impeachment is a Democrat Party thing. Nothing is going to distract them from that. This is just one more thing they will "pile on" to their rhetoric as "Orange Bad Man".

The American President always has center stage on the planet...as leader of the free world. That goes back to WWII; it's not a "Trump is a narcissist" thing.

 

The Democrats continually blindly fall into the traps set by Trump. Obviously he did not kill Souleimani for this purpose but right on cue the D's queue up to make fools of themselves defending the terrorist leader of the world's leading terrorist state.

 

Iran is far from defenceless. You must have got your information from propaganda as it is very very far from the truth. Why do you think Iran has managed not to be invaded for this long. If the US or Israel thought they could get away with that without a heavy toll on them they would have done it aeons ago.

You can carry on saying what you want but it will not make it true. I suggest you do some genuine research if you want to know the truth.

All this has been argued already in this forum and I am not going to go back to that. The Western people who believe that they can just kill people of Iran like they did those of Iraq and all the other countries of the ME without any payback are going to get the shock of their lives. That is why Israel has never invaded Iran. Her politicians wanted to but not her military. That is why Israel was saying she would only fight Iran if she had the US protecting her. Her claims were that Iran might nuke her so a deal was done that sorted this situation out...but Israel's concerns were not that Iran might nuke her, it was about Iran being a major player in the area - the same reason the Saud's want them finished.

I have heard the US military also are aware that trying to take on Iran is not something to do if it can be avoided.

Iran is ready and waiting and prepared and armed for you now. The fact that she put most of her money into defence suggests she was not thinking of attacking others.

 

A Texas pacifist is an oxymoron.