Trump refuses to call out Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists

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  1. Gdawg007

    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    So it's best NOT to talk about the bad parts of history...why again? It's not insulting to me at all. I am of Spanish descent, my people cut off the feet of native Americans when they conquered the southwest. I won't forget it. I won't dismiss it when it's brought up. I didn't cut any feet off. I'm not at fault for it. But it happened. Why it happened is important to recall why Native Americans act the way they do politically TODAY because it still matters. You see, and this may be why you feel the way you do, but when you belong to a group of people who were systematically oppressed or brutalized for hundred plus years, it impacts you even if no one is still alive that it directly happened to. Oh and by the way, there are black people still alive who were denied the right to vote. So it's actually not that everyone has been dead for a hundred years at all.

    No, you are confusing spiteful vengeance with knowledge and understanding. The two are very different.

    So are you saying our slavery was better than Muslim's slavery and that is somehow relevant? Wow, you guys are reaching on this topic and it shows how wrong you all are...this is actually making me more upset than the event itself.

    Condemn Nazi's and the guy who ran over an innocent protester and killer her. Demand that Trump does it too. It's the only ethical response and you know it.
     
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    Trump's impotence in meeting the challenge of directly condemning anti-American, overtly racist organizations is sad, of course. Very sad.

    He has now been scolded and spanked sufficiently that he will, undoubtedly, take another mulligan and have yet another shot at simulating the appearance of integrity.

    Yet, his squalid behavior presents opportunity.

    Consider his childish, hysterical tantrum at the CEO of Merck Pharmaceuticals:

    Trump has the opportunity to undo Dubya's forbidding Medicare's exercising its considerable power in negotiating with Big Pharma on behalf of the American public, something Obama failed to do.

    Why should exorbitantly-recompensed Rx executives like Mr Frazier be permitted to fleece Americans and charge them far higher prices than Canadians and all other folks in advanced nations?

    Perhaps, Frazier's act of principle will provoke the same in Trump.
     
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    No, he saw a group of people saying something he didn't like and tried to kill all of them. That's likely what happened.

    Are you a normal person? If you are sacred and trying to get away, do you drive THROUGH the people you are scared of? No, you drive away from them. You run AWAY from them. Do you know what the word "normal" means? Because I'm not so sure.
     
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    I don't disagree that the majority of KKK members left in this country probably voted for Trump. However the member base for the KKK as of today is pretty small and was not the majority of Trumps voter base.
     
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    How is a contemporary person impacted on by things that happened many many years ago/before he was born?
     
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    Because it's been passed down over the years from their ancestors. Black people, even young ones, distrust the US government because of all the stuff that happened to their grandparents and parents. Then we have the issues today, which are lesser for the most part no doubt, and it all adds up.

    It's quite simple. Cultures keep history alive largely through retelling events orally and to family or close groups of people. The feelings that come with the retelling are part of it.
     
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    I agree, it's pretty small and not a majority of his voter base. So again, why won't he condemn them? It seems like a pretty safe move. I don't think the answer is that Trump is a secret nazi or anything.
     
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    Or no matter what the man says, it won't be good enough for you. Hmmm, which of the three possibilities is most likely true?
     
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    Let's wait for the trial. Then either you or I will eat crow. Sound fair?
     
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    Trump just called the nazi's repugnant in a news conference. And the libs are already saying that it's too late and insincere. LOL They're idiots.
     
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    Doesn't matter what Trump says or does, it will never be good enough for the left.
     
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    But he has just done that, specifically using the terms "white supremacists" and "Neo-nazis.

    So now, will the complainers go silent? Of course not. It will just shift to the timing, tone of voice or some other way to push this for all the anti-trump mileage they can get.
     
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    This episode has exposed that pro- white supremacist sentiment is more widespread on this forum than we previously thought. At least more than I previously thought....

    Fact is that nobody should be silent. You shouldn't be silent. White supremacists should not be tolerated.

    As for Trump... too little too late. If he had said this the day of the attack, it might have allowed him to save face But now more people know where he stands. Only appropriate response from the President is to get rid of Supremacists in his staff. If he wants to make a point that he is not a racist. Which he probably doesn't...
     
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    Yep, standing up for free speech now makes one a white supremacist as I have been called for pointing out we have a 1st amendment and of course, Trump does what the left wants and they still wet their panties.
     
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    Not all people share this sentiment.
     
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    He did condemn all violence right? Would that not include the KKK?
     
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    I would like to have us ponder over this event. Let us think that not all white supremacists want to run people over with cars. In fact, there's no link whatsoever between loving Hitler or wanting the supremacy of the white race and running people over with cars. At what point is there written in Mein Kampf that you should kill antifas?

    Since nothing supports running people over with cars in the ideology of white supremacy, we can only conclude that this person was not a true white supremacist. He was just a bad apple. Even calling him a "radical white supremacist" would be too much. I think he's just a political agitator, with purely selfish political motives, that led him to commit that act and abuse white supremacist ideas to justify his horrible crime.

    Think about it, how does killing a white antifa woman contribute to the global supremacy of the white race?

    All in all, white supremacy is the religion of peace. We need to ally ourselves with the good white supremacists to fight against these agitators who infiltrate the ideology of true white supremacy for their own, destructive, motives.

    In fact, I think it would be a great idea if the government paid to build white supremacist community centers and places of worship for the church of the creator. It would contribute to sending a message of unity, rather than divisiveness. Remember that the unfair backlash against peaceful white supremacists is what pushes law-abiding white supremacists into abandoning the ideology of true white supremacy to become bloodthirsty terrorists. The president should make a speech to acknowledge that America wouldn't be what it is today without its white supremacist citizens.

    Also, banning cars should be considered.

    Now let us all get together, light candles, and pray for the victims and their families. Amen.
     
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    Nope! Standing up for white-supremacists makes you a white supremacist. "we have a 1st amendment" is indeed a very suspicious statement to make in this context, given that nobody has questioned their first amendment rights.

    Do you even know what the 1st amendment says? I kinda think that most on the right don't know much about the Constitution outside of the 2nd amendment. The rest is optional and applies only when it's convenient for them.
     
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    Is that why the violent left continues to try and silence free speech time and again?
     
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    I know white supremacists don't. Do you consider yourself a white supremacist? Just curious....
     
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    I am actually Asian. To answer your question, yes, I do agree with White nationalists. Note: not White supremacists.
     
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    Wow...that was quite the pretzel move there.

    Yes...white nationalists are white supremacists...and whatever "differences" you might find...they're unabashed racists
     
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    Nope. They are two different things. (Most) White nationalists want to live among their own kind. White supremacists want to subjugate other races.
     
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    Do you want to send them to labor camps, or just execute them?
     
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    you said you believe white people are superior to all other races, including Asians.

    that means you believe in White Supremacy
     

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