Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians in meeting, officials say Pt 2

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  1. ThorInc

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    That's the talking point you choose to hide behind? Might want a longer tie, like the Trump tie extension. :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Facts were presented .... Bush's own words. Quote one thing gave as proof that was an allegation.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When a person publishes someone else "Lied", they better have proof ready. I'm still waiting.....

    libel

    An untruthful statement about a person, published in writing or through broadcast media, that injures the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because libel is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. Libel is a form of defamation , as is slander (an untruthful statement that is spoken, but not published in writing or broadcast through the media).


    A lot of folks can't tell the difference between a lie, a false statement and a misstatement.

    Here is a guide line to keep yourselves out of court.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The senate committee findings stated there was intention to deceive.
    The Saddam was in league with Al Qaeda was a false narrative intended to deceive .
    The "we must act now otherwise a mushroom cloud is coming" was a lie that was intended to deceive.

    Spare me your disingenuous ignorance.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'll need to cite the location, because I searched the document and didn't find it, "intention" and "deceive" are just not there. I'll be forwarding the pertinent posts to Bush's offices.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What document ? .. I quoted from the Senate intelligence committee, is that what you mean?

    Here is part of a transcript of a Bush speech.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/bush.transcript/

    Lies and false narrative. There was no "imminent threat". No clear evidence of nuclear peril.

    We controlled Saddam's air space an had weapons inspectors running around Iraq. (They were pulled out 2 days before the attack). Iraq was not even close to being a threat to the US homeland - never mind in the form of a Mushroom cloud.

    Lies and false narrative. You can read more BS in the full transcript. The Bush admin "intentionally" ramped up the fear factor with false narrative, lies, misrepresentation and abject nonsense in the race to war. The intentionally ignored intelligence that conflicted with the false narrative.

    This war ended up killing thousands of US soldiers, injuring more than ten thousand more, and costing us trillions of dollars.
     
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    Trump accused Hillary of being a security risk during the campaign, but he's now the only President in U.S. history to become a major security leak himself. During the campaign he and the Republicans repeatedly chanted "Lock Her Up!", in spite of the fact that no criminal evidence was found by the FBI supporting such an extreme action. But Trump has himself admitted he did share classified info with known Russian spies in the White House--something far worse than Hillary ever did. Yet, Republicans fail to hold Trump to the same standards they held Hillary. This makes the Republicans appear totally partisan and non-patriotic. It also makes them far less credible regardless of the topic.
     
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    What you said sounded just like Bill Clinton
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see bds alive and kicking. I read the speech you supplied, found virtually no support for your claims
    We did not take saddam out because he had the H bomb. Saddam was not involved with 9/11.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I swear to God
    Are some of the posters dosed up on Rachel Maddow?
     
  11. ThorInc

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    Can't discuss the thread topic? Trump blurted out code word classified top secret intel without going through the proper protocols? And, put the operative's life in jeopardy?
     
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    Sure Trump "blurted out a code word" ... he blurts it out pretty frequenty ... Radical Islamic Terrorist ... there, now I've blurted it out too.
     
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    Funny he did not blurt those words one in the middle east........did you notice that?
     
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    Yes I did, and it was quite a relief. I'd imagine you felt the same way, and that you won't be suggesting that Trump somehow incited the Manchester attack.
     
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    There is no guarantee of that. I admit I smoked dope with some of Raygun’s Marines, but I was in the Navy.

    The reason why the CO and XO were looking on while the panicked Chief rushed across the hanger to confront me, was because they had something to hide, me sending an eight page letter to Senator Sam Nunn scared the crap out of them. At the time, I did not know exactly what they were hiding. Later the CO at a squadron meeting said the Base command cancelled our Squadron’s ComRats. The base legal Officer and Gentleman happily gave me a letter. Then the next week at the last of such meetings, I asked the CO about the cancelling of ComRats, in front of the squadron, he repeated what he said, then I revealed the letter from the base’s legal department, the CO, XO, and legal officer all turned red faced and stormed out of the room. We kept our ComRats. You see our funding came from the National Science Foundation. There was something in the paper about two houses, and a Yacht stored at the Base security compound...and one guy involved in the embezzling scheme told me he reenlisted just in time, something about purging of records. Lying Officers and Gentlemen just irked the hell out of me.

    The proper venue of a so-called “Whistleblower” would be to contact their legal department or contact Congress, not the “RT” operatives at WAPO who are colluding with “RT” moles to undermine our political system.
     
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    Trump announced his run for president at the same time Wilbur Ross was running the Russian Bank.... 2015

    Wilbur Ross, the Trump administration’s new commerce secretary, presided over a deal with a Russian businessman with ties to Vladimir Putin while serving in his previous role as vice-chairman of the Bank of Cyprus.

    The transaction raises questions about Ross’s tenure at the Cypriot bank and his ties to politically connected Russian oligarchs. It comes amid confirmation by the FBI that it is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow to influence the outcome of the presidential election.


    In 2015, while he served as vice-chairman of the Bank of Cyprus, the bank’s Russia-based businesses were sold to a Russian banker and consultant, Artem Avetisyan, who had ties to both the Russian president and Russia’s largest bank, Sberbank.

    At the time, Sberbank was under US and EU sanctions following Russia’s annexation of Crimea. Avetisyan had earlier been selected by Putin to head a new business branch of the Russian president’s strategic initiative agency, which was tasked with improving business and government ties.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ank-of-cyprus-donald-trump-commerce-secretary
     
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    Well his WH released the name of the terrorist before the UK gave the go ahead so yeah, he & his people can't seem to keep things under wraps until the source is ready to share that info publicly. Trump blurts out stuff to make himself important, a very useful idiot to the Russians.
     
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    Trumps already the most important person on the globe ... POTUS. I doubt May would have authorized the release of the terrorists ID ahead of the upcoming election, that she's now postponed. You obviously didn't appreciate Trumps not so subtle "Radical Islamic Terrorist" nuance. Check PF. A lot of us accused Islamic Terrorists before any announcement was made by the WH. Does the terrorists name change the facts, or perceptions? I think not.
     
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    Israel isn't as concerned as you people are.
     
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    Perhaps you should check your facts? The election is not until the 8th June. The good reason for not releasing names is that those connected to him would not know that the security forces know those who knew the murderer. Some of those people who knew him probably did not know that he was the one who did it so they found out earlier than desired and managed to cover some of their tracks.
     
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    So May hasn't postponed election events? https://www.theguardian.com/politic...campaigning-suspended-after-manchester-attack It also seems the terrorist was known to authorities, as were his trips to the ME. His suspected accomplices, 3 so far, are being rounded up quickly. May, like other PC leaders are always reluctant to criticize Islamic Terrorism.
     
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    You wrote ".......ahead of the upcoming election, that she's now postponed." All that was suspended was a few days campaigning by all parties, not the election itself. Everyone has criticized all terrorism, why does the religion matter - "we" never referred to 'Catholic' terrorism that was rife in the 1970's to 1990's. If there is one point that should definitely be criticized is allowing home grown nationals back into the country after it is known that they went to Syria (and Libya in this case).
    BTW, they are not yet "suspected accomplices", just people that know him with one being his brother. There might have been more rounded up if it wasn't for the early release of the murderers name by AP.
     
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    The IRA & Sinn Fein weren't openly, and frequently referred to as terrorists? They were committing terrorism, and were rightly condemned for it. The EU needs to check it's Islamic privilege, and acknowledge the ideology is behind these atrocities.
     
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    Are you being deliberately obtuse? You wrote "May, like other PC leaders are always reluctant to criticize Islamic Terrorism" May and all of us criticize and condemn all terrorism, why should the religion be added on. There is no difference to those killed whether they were killed by IRA 'Catholic' murderers or by Daesh 'Muslim' murderers
     
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    Obtuse? My point couldn't be clearer. The EU is under siege. Radical Islam cannot be separated from mainstream Islam. This terrorist was born and English citizen. It illustrates that any muslim has the potential to spontaneously radicalize himself. Now they've uncovered a network. So it appears highly contagious, and muslims highly susceptible. Is that pointed enough?
     

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