Trump revealed highly classified information to Russians in meeting, officials say Pt 2

Oh don't worry, I understood your point right from the beginning. Tell the following people that they were not as important as those killed by Muslims:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...violent-deaths-are-recorded-in-an-739832.html

And those murderers were mainly openly financed by the good old USA!

 

You Liberals look like idiots.... Part 1,000,000

Watch it if you dare Liberals... you just got blowed up!

 

Bush admin overstated and misrepresented in creating the false narrative that there was some connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda in relation to 911.

In Bush's speech - the rational for why we must act now was because of the "clear evidence of peril in the form of a mushroom cloud"

"Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud"

The senate intelligence committee findings state the same:

“In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.”

In the Bush speech he cited "Proof" of Saddam's active nuke program such as the Aluminum tubes. This was total BS as even our own DOE said these tubes were not suitable for uranium enrichment. This finding was intentionally suppressed.

Dissenters to the Bush false narrative among the intelligence community were told to keep quiet.

That whole "Saddam is an imminent threat to the homeland" was one big false narrative. It was intentional misrepresentation and deceit.

 

It's tough for some to see reality and even themselves......they generally lack the courage to self assess. Generally alt-Reich folk that voted Trump.

 

That's because the actions of those Catholics was in spite of their religion. Not according to it. David Koresh told his followers that he was Jesus Christ and therefore only he was allowed to have sex with the women on the compound. IN SPITE OF CHRISTIAN doctrine as opposed to according to the doctrine. Muslims shouting Allah Akbar as they dismember by bomb as many innocent civilians as they can, are acting according to their doctrine.
Same **** different day-

"But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”"

Im sure if the current caliph had an ambassador to London, Prime Minister May might ask by what right they preyed upon 15 yr old girls at Arianna Grande concerts, he might reply similarly

 

Well, he leaked to the Duterte too, he has earned Leaker in Chief.

 

I have done this dance with hundreds of Democrats or Bush haters to think you will change your mind.

Go back and look at youtube video of what Bush really said. Start first with what Bill Clinton told us all. Examine why it seems great to Democrats and supporters that Clinton waged one hell of a war on the former Yugoslavia using lies but they want to allege Bush lied while forgiving Clinton.

The reason as Bush said over and over is "Saddam is a grave and gathering danger to the US."

For my part in this parade, I think he jumped the gun. But the path to war was laid out for him by Bill Clinton and the herd of Democrats. For them to later whine was goofy.

 

You are welcome to see with your own eyes what Bush actually told us.

 

Thank god Trump was on the ballot. Hillary never.... no way. She was a terrible candidate and no doubt would have stunk as president.

 

I quoted Bush's speech directly - are you denying this now as well ?

Good grief this partisan blindness is strong with some.

 

I showed it to you.

 

Trump is trash and senile as well.

 

Bush made many speeches.

I posted a transcript of the Bush's speech that I was referring to.... do you agree that the transcript is authentic or not ?

Is your denial of reality so desperate that you can not answer this simple question ?

 

That's because the French who inspected the tubes said that the tubes couldn't be for anything other than a centrifuge. DOE never examined them.

 

Both the IAEA an the DOE stated categorically that the tubes were not suitable for centrifuges.

The Bush administration knew this yet continued to state "defacto" that the tubes were going to be used by Saddam to bring a "mushroom cloud" to the US homeland.

This was a misrepresentation and an intentionally deceptive false narrative.

 

Sept 13, 2001 there was a poll that showed 70 something% of Americans believed Saddam was involved with the 9/11 attacks, before the Bush administration said anything.

From an Iraqi Newspaper before 9/11

"Meanwhile America has started to pressure the Taliban movement so that it would hand them Bin Ladin, while he continues to smile and still thinks seriously, with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.. It seems that they will be going away because the revolutionary Bin Ladin is insisting very convincingly that he will strike America on the arm that is already hurting. That the man will not be swayed by the plant leaves of Whitman nor by the Adventures of Indiana Jones and will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs"

Arguably identifying the targets of 9/11. And after 9/11 from an Iraqi Newspaper

On the front page of the paper's four-page edition for Nov. 14, 2002,
there was a picture of Osama bin Laden speaking, next to which was a
picture of Saddam and his ''Revolutionary Council,'' ....
On the back page was a story headlined ''List of Honor.'' In a box
below the headline was ''A list of men we publish for the public.''
....Halfway down the middle column is written: ''Abid Al-Karim Muhamed
Aswod, intelligence officer responsible for the coordination of
activities with the Osama bin Laden group at the Iraqi embassy in
Pakistan.''
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=17205

History repeating itself

In 1993

The moment of confrontation had come. President Bush warned Saddam Hussein that if he continued to interfere with United Nations weapons inspectors and to shoot at American warplanes over Iraq, he would have to pay the consequences. So Islamic radicals from all over the Middle East, Africa and Asia converged on Baghdad to show their solidarity with Iraq in the face of American aggression. Chechens in Persian-lamb hats, Moroccans in caftans, delegates who hailed “from Jakarta to Dakar,” as one Senegalese put it, poured into Baghdad’s Rashid Hotel, where Saddam’s minions urged them to embrace jihad as “the one gate to Paradise.” And the greatest holy warrior of all? “The mujahed Saddam Hussein, who is leading this nation against the nonbelievers,” they were told. “Everyone has a task to do, which is to go against the American state,” declared Saddam’s deputy Ezzat Ibrahim. The Americans had colonized Lebanon; they had colonized Saudi Arabia. But the line against them would be drawn in Iraq. Believers would triumph, said Ibrahim: “Our stand now can lead us to final victory, to Paradise.”

http://www.newsweek.com/authors/christopher-dickey?page=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,20

And a few weeks later in February of 93 an Iraqi bomb maker and Ramzi Youssef, traveling with Iraqi passports detonate a bomb in the basement of WTC, and flee to Iraq. Ramzi Youssef, the nephew of Khalid Muhammad who master minded the 9/11 attacks on the WTC.

 

I never claimed otherwise. It was the French who told us they couldn't be for anything other than a centrifuge after spinning them at 98,000 RPM

 

Right .. so the US public just woke up one morning and linked Saddam to 911 ... even though no such link existed.

 

Good ... so you agree that the Bush administration took us to war on the basis of lies, intentional deception and false narrative.

 

Nope, The French weren't lieing. They took the very aluminum tubes and spun them at 98,000 rpm and determined that they could be for nothing other than a centrifuge.

 

Right ... and the IAEA and the DOE are idiots ... along with the Senate Intelligence committee finding that the Aluminum tube story was part of the false narrative spun by the Bush admin in an effort to deceive the American people.

 

I know.

 

And the WMDs just when "poof" in the end. . Trump is a prime leaker......

 

I did not say that the French lied? - (the claim is that Bush lied) although they must have had misgivings about this claim as the French authorities denied Powell permission use this information in his speech to the UN. Since there is no reason for this info to be "secret" - and the French knew the US was desperately trying to make a case for war, the French wanted no part of the Bush administrations case for war.

Regardless - there was plenty of information to the contrary.

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...cials-say-pt-2.504867/page-21#post-1067529266

Making "defacto claims" when there is considerable information to the contrary and you know about this information - is lying. The "sin of omission" - omitting information contradicting a claim when stating a claim as defacto true - is lying.

In addition this was only one small lie in a litany of lies and false narrative. This was not some kindergarten playtime at McDonald's issue - this is about going to war - invasion of a sovereign nation. A decision that ended up killing thousands of US soldiers, wounding tens of thousands -physically and psychologically, and endangering our future security due spending trillions of dollars.

Aside from the litany of other lies.
The fact of the matter is that Saddam never did receive those tubes.
The fact of the matter is that most of our closest allies refused to be party to this illegal invasion.
The fact of the matter was that the security council rejected our request - making this invasion illegal under international law.

The fact of the matter was that at the time we had control of Iraq's air space and weapons inspectors running around the country. (this fact alone counters any claims about Saddam being some imminent threat - even if he did have an active chemical and biological weapons program - which was proven false). Given this fact alone, there was no grave imminent threat that justified rushing into Iraq and killing over 100,000 people.

This was not a situation like NK where we do not control NK air space ... do not have weapons inspectors running in NK
and we know for a fact that NK has nukes and the means to deliver these nukes - the ability to hit our allies and possibly Hawaii.

Going into Iraq was the biggest cluster fk in recent times .. and it was based on intentional deception and false narrative.

This action has not only severely injured our national security through the Trillion of dollars spent - it created Jihadist wonderland and allowed Al Qaeda to get a foothold in the region.

What disturbs me even more though - far more than the Bush Admin falsehoods or Gov't misdeeds in general - was the sin's of the mainstream media. Without complicity from the mainstream media (right left center) - the Bush admin could have never obtained critical mass in congress for war.

You would think, given what we know now about the incredible damage done to our nation on the as a result of these media sins, that we would have done something to correct this problem; restored fair and free media to this country by any means necessary so that this type of mistake is not so easily repeated.

The reverse is true. Our mainstream media has gotten worse - less fair and free and more controlled. A fair and free media is the main way the people control the limit the power of Gov't. There is no legitimate democratic process without a fair and free media.

 

Even if "WMD"s - a label that is designed to obfuscate - did exist (such as chemical weapons), this does not mean Iraq was some "imminent threat" but, yes Saddam had no active chemical weapons program.

Then there is the fact that Reagan was supporting Saddam while he was using chemical weapons against Iran and his own people (kurds). When Peter Galbraith returned from Iraq after seeing the gassed out towns first-hand, he quickly drafted the "prevention of genocide act" which was to sanction Iraq.

This bill quickly passed through the Senate on a bipartisan basis. Reagan threatened Veto and the Bill died in the House. A year later when Bush Sr. came into power - support for Saddam increased.

Bush Jr stated "we are not only going after the terrorists but, the supporters of terror". The first place he should have started was with Daddy.