Trump says elections are rigged... Are They?

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  1. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    Then why are big businesses and the rich endorsing Hillary?
     
  2. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    One of the things Trump stated was that Federal Regulations are strangling businesses and for every new regulation they come up with, two old ones have to go.

    Never, would any politician ever, say such a thing. I absolutely love it. That kind of thinking will save this country.
     
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    Ok Hillary offers higher taxes big business can skirt around while the American people and small businesses can't.

    They are INVESTING in Hillary because they know Hillary will put forth policies that benefit the rich and she will work with crony capitalist so they'll contribute big money to the next campaign.
     
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    seems he is right

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...inds-dozens-ballots-stacked-outside-home.html

    Jerry Mosna was gardening outside his San Pedro, Calif., home Saturday when he noticed something odd: Two stacks of 2016 ballots on his mailbox.

    The 83 ballots, each unused, were addressed to different people, all supposedly living in his elderly neighbor’s two-bedroom apartment.

    “I think this is spooky,” Mosna said. “All the different names, none we recognize, all at one address.”

    His wife, Madalena Mosna, noted their 89-year-old neighbor lives by herself, and, “Eighty people can’t fit in that apartment.”
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    Trump's statements can't possibly be interpreted as anything but discriminatory against women, Hispanics, non-whites and on religious grounds as well. And, discrimination in the extreme, as just some closet concern wouldn't lead him to have a public war of derogatory words against a gold star family, or the constant spewing of what he would do and has done to women and his judgements based on his preferences in how they look to him.

    An award given 30 years ago does NOT give him cover of ANY KIND.

    The only questions it could raise have to do with wtf happened to him? Did he take a blow to the head? Or, did that ancient awards committee simply get compromised?
     
  6. SiNNiK

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    You only feel that way because you are listening to the media talking about him and not actually listening to Trump talk about the issues or his own policies. You yourself admit that Trump has been in the news for decades, and never has he been considered racist until he ran against the Democrats. I myself have watched the Democrats absolutely scream racism at everything they don't like, and now, when you don't like Trump, of course you scream racism, again.
     
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    Suggesting regulations are fungible is just plain idiotic.

    So, of COURSE solid leadership wouldn't say such nonsense.

    I have no problem with examining whether specific regulations are effective in bringing about an important public objective, and deleting them if they don't.
     
  8. SiNNiK

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    It's a good thing you're not in charge because it sounds like a great move to me, I hope he can achieve where others have not.
     
  9. WillReadmore

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    Loopholes come from congress. If you want to plug loopholes the wealthy use, you're going to have to tell your congressmen.


    Clinton has stated clearly that she will not raise taxes on anyone making less than about 1/4 million dollars per year.

    Once again, corporations need steady dependable policy in order to make plans and investments necessary for their businesses. They routinely dial in taxes and other costs. They can't do that for possible significant policy changes in trade, taxes, employment, etc.

    When Republicans talk about tossing the cards in the air, corporations are NOT going to like that.
     
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    Look, he states his racism on the nightly news.

    Suggesting that has ANYTHING to do with Dems is ridiculous.

    Dems weren't causing him to cast his disrespect on women, to berate that gold star family, to suggest Hispanics are criminals who should be discarded, etc.

    He did that ALL by himself.

    And, he started well before he was chosen by Republicans to promote their views.

    If Republicans didn't like that, they should have known better. They had a large number of contenders. They picked the candidate with the loudest mouth, the least knowledge and experience, the least respect for our form of government, and the greatest degree of bigotry.

    Dems have had NOTHING to do with it.
     
  11. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You may not have noticed that I did not say Trump was a savior here. What he is- is not is more of the same; not a lawyer, not a politician deeply entrenched in the corruption - and a mold-breaker who at a minimum would shake up a system that is totally unwilling to clean it's own house. Sometimes you have choices that you are sure are right- but to pick one you are sure is wrong is not any solution other than to accept total surrender to the corruption. If I thought Gary Johnson had a chance, I'd be voting for him. Instead, we have the South-Park concept here- deciding between a Giant (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and a turd sandwich. I have absolutely no doubt what she will do to the nation. Trump opens doors, we may or may not find they are better, but at least we will break the cycle.

    I assure you- I am appalled that we the people can't do better than this.
     
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    I would say it is as rigged as it can be without resorting to outright fraud..
     
  13. SiNNiK

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    Nightly News puts effort into making him look as bad as possible. Disrespected women? Said some mean things? Don't care, we need a hawk in office, not a dove. Hispanics discarded? No, Illegals sent back. And you know it. You are being dishonest, and it's showing.

    Of course Republicans don't like him, they never did. It was me and my buddies that forced them to nominate him in the first place.

    Watch how many of us show up to vote come election time. And we'll have our id's too.

    If you watched his rallies and not excerpts chosen by those who have an agenda you'd feel the passion the rest of us feel.
     
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    Not so sure.

    I don't know why gerrymandering isn't considered fraud.

    Here's the tactic:
    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Images/gerrymander-2.jpg

    So, in this example with equal numbers on both sides, one side gets 5 representatives while the other side gets 1 representative!!!

    Here's how it is carried out:
    https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/file.../28/6359473875139986971140872265_image067.png
    http://designobserver.com/media/images/38605-texas_district35.png

    This is a direct and purposeful assault on equal representation under the law.

    And, it is WAY effective, with at least two specific results:

    - these districts are represented by US representatives, so the number of representatives of each party is directly affected.

    - more districts are dominated by one party, leading to primaries becoming contests for who is more radical and unwilling to compromise. It means that fewer Representatives need to be able to appeal to a broader constituency. And, that leads to the US House being less functional as we see today.

    If there was ONE change we could make to make elections less rigged it would be to stop allowing political parties to draw the district boundaries.

    A very few states are moving on that. We need to follow their lead.

    In fact, the SCOTUS should insist on it. But, with a conservative court the direction of the court isn't all that interested in equal representation.

    At present, they LIKE hugely expensive and rigged elections.
     
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    Bigoted, homophobic and racist Hillary Clinton, the psychotic sociopathic mass murderer who hysterically laughs about rape of children and violent murder - and most corrupt person to ever seek office in the USA - doesn't care about rigged elections. What she cares about is being able to extinct the human race by nuclear holocaust to prove she is the most powerful person to have every lived and to feed her severe psychopathic and sociopathic mental disease, which was heightened by her severe traumatic brain damage.
     
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    This is total nonsense.

    Trump knows EXACTLY what the nightly news will show. He uses clear and direct sound bites to ensure he gets MAMMOTH coverage.

    During this election there have been times Clinton has essentially evaporated as a result.

    You chose a bigot with no experience, no policy and no ability to accept expert opinion in ANY area. Your passion for that is NOT a credit. It raises deep concerns for America's future.
     
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    Trump has policy ideas, and they're not all bad. Hillary has baaaaaaad policy, and a baaaaad history to back that up.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I would say that is an astute observation. All lawyers, and especially ones in politics, know how to do highly dishonest and immoral things legally.
     
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    You know...


    I could give numerous examples of liberals

    cheating above and beyond their opposition

    to voter id's and purging the rolls of dead voters.


    I like to keep it simple.


    Just ask bernie if the left rigs elections.
    :wink:
     
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    Good use of your "a" key.

    But, you can't seem to back it up.
     
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    Trump wouldn't be able to change that. He doesn't have any policy related to organizational change. And, he doesn't have the ear of those in his own party in order to make those kinds of changes. Will Ryan listen to him? Will the RNC listen to him? Obviously they are not doing so, and one of the reasons is that Trump has nothing of value to say to these people.

    All he has is total disrespect for American government and a constituency that doesn't care about policy and is sort of excited about putting America into chaos - without caring what that actually means or what it would cost America (including them!).


    You point out the problem of too much money in elections. But, Trump has no policy related to reducing the influence of dollars - or the influence of those like him who have so much money they couldn't spend it all if they tried.

    So, why on earth would you think Trump would improve ANYTHING??
     
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    You miss the point. First, a vote for Clinton is to continue and accelerate the destruction that has been going on with our power/money driven system. Thus, a vote against Hillary is a must. More to your point- Trump is not the personal hand that will make things happen- he is the catalyst that will show that the power of the entrenched system is not absolute; that the people still can alter the course. Since the beginning of this election he has proved all the experts wrong, even those of his own party. This is pretty much the story of his business success as well, making things happen when others fail and say it can't be done.

    Obama had people chanting "Yes we can". But once elected, decided he really didn't need them or owe them anymore. Hillary uses "Stronger Together" as her catch phrase- yet she is known for being dictatorial and vindictive in private, using people to get what she wants- and that is definitely to be stronger than all who oppose her. So again the phrase may have some accuracy- but not he way people take it to be.

    We don't know how well Trump would do- he's known as an effective business leader and manager, one who demands results and gets them. However, politics isn't like business from the management standpoint, and controlling it takes a tough guy who knows how to use power effectively- not an Obama. I've been in business about 45 years, and I've done management consulting and training for fortune 500 companies. Great managers don't have to know all about the details of a business or even have policies in mind- because the real job of an executive is to recognize and gather the best talent and expertise to advise them, and then make sound decisions. A great manager could take over a business he knows nothing about, and make a success of it because he knows how to do this. For example- Warren Buffet, Berkshire-Hathaway CEO. Owns railroads, electrical utilities, machine tool makers, many insurance businesses, candy and clothing companies and dozens more. He manages a company that owns 90 companies outright and has another 90 subsidiaries, and they all consistently perform well. Nearly 400,000 employees involved here. Yet, headquarters and core management is done from one office in Omaha- with a total staff of 25 employees. His team makes that vast job look incredibly easy; it runs smoothly and both his employees and investors love it. Buffet is the catalyst that motivates and monitors, the captain that steers the ship. That is what great management does.

    We do have a very sound basis to know what Hillary would do. She is totally invested with the evils of political corruption, and giving her ultimate power is not going to reform her character. Choose to take a chance with Trumps ability to manage, or not have a chance at all with Hillary.
     
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    You'd dismiss the evidence as readily as a creationist dismisses evidence for evolution.
     
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    Your analysis is just plain ridiculous. Trump has no solutions, and there is no need for a poster boy for ranfomly tossing the cards in the air.

    He has education and serious family support in realestate. Suggesting his "success" there translates to an understanding of public policy is ridiculous. In fact, it is proven false in his every speech as he touts ever changing ideas tgat have been reoeatedly refuted.

    When he cancels the health care coverage of every American family, what will happen next? He has no plan - nor does the Republican establishment.

    He says he is smarter than our generals. But, he can not say how. His "wisdom" ends with his insults.

    He says his trade deals will fix the problems faced by manufacturing workers. But, industry analysis shows that US manufacturing production has been growing since the 1970's, with the only exception being the 2008 crash. The problems faced by workers is primarily due to automation. From there, we note that workers need more training and education to keep up in their rapidly changing manufacturing segment. Plus, unions have been eliminated, leaving no organized political advocacy, no bargaining power, etc, leading to lower pay, less job security, no reliable retirement, no job safety ingluence, etc. Trump knows nothing about workers. He imports labor from other counties. Clinton on the other hand has actual polivies that address these fifgicult issues.

    US vorporations need more college grduates - the direction our economy is taking requires that, and that need eill only grow more dignificant. We need Clinton's direction on education. Leaving higher education for the wealthy is a disaster for American industry and a sure way to leave millions of our kids behind, competing for a shrinking market for less educated workers.

    In every fimendion it is important that Clinton wins. Trump offers no solutions, has no respect for our nation and promotes divisiveness. We simply can not afford that.
     
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    If you had anything, you would state it.

    But, you're running on empty, so you dodge.
     

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