"Trump Says Saidi King Told Him He Denies Any Knowledhe of Missing Journaliast"

yeah, but if they talk, then it doesn't really matter what happens to them afterwards.

And I think you overestimate humans ability to keep secrets to themselves. Especially around something like 9/11. The logistical scale necessary to create something like that, and then keep it hidden after is simply to great of an undertaking for the number of people who'd have to be involved. JMHO

 

Or you have people do things in a calculated manner through compartmentalization where they're completely unaware of the greater agenda at work....

 

They did that at the Manhattan Project yet the information still got out afterwards. There was an entire town dedicated to manufacturing components unaware of the final destination for said components. Still came out afterwards.

I understand what your saying, and I believe that it's a workable theory for smaller conspiracies that only require a few people to keep silent, but large scale situations like 9/11 would require a lot of variables to sort out.

That said, we should take this discussion to the Conspiracy section so we don't take this thread anymore off-topic then we already have.

 

What would a good conservative be without his Obama "whataboutism" on the ready?

Totally irrelevant

 

It's most certainly relevant. Obama droned an American Teenager that was guilty of nothing, and "progressives" didn't say squat, but if KSA killed this operative suddenly "progressives' want to go into a self righteous shitstorm?

 

Wow, now we got Obama supposedly droning American teenagers rationalizing Trump accepting an autocrat's word without any evidence or proof, a particular autocrat who represents an oligarchy that rents an entire floor of Trump Tower in NYC, O.K., guess we know now who is glued to the Hannity hour

 

Supposedly? Obama first killed his Dad in an extra-judicial assassination, then killed his son who had no ties to terrorism.

How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American

Asked about the strike that killed him, a senior adviser to the president's campaign suggests he should've "had a more responsible father."​

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, a senior adviser to President Obama's reelection campaign, attempted to defend the kill list that the Obama Administration uses to determine whose body should next be blown apart. American drone strikes have resulted in hundreds of dead innocents in the last four years (2012 story)

He was the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, who was also born in America, who was also an American citizen, and who was killed by drone two weeks before his son was, along with another American citizen named Samir Khan. Obama administration's public-relations campaign about its embrace of what has come to be called "targeted killing" reached its climax in a front-page story in the New York Times that presented the President of the United States as the last word in deciding who lives and who dies, he was quoted as saying that the decision to put Anwar al-Awlaki, AN AMERICAN, on the EXTRA-JUDICIAL kill list -- and then to kill him -- was "an easy one." But Abdulrahman al-Awlaki wasn't on an American kill list.

Nor was he a member of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninusla. Nor was he "an inspiration," as his father styled himself, for those determined to draw American blood; nor had he gone "operational," as American authorities said his father had, in drawing up plots against Americans and American interests. He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.​

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

Obama didn't even try to claim that this Colorado teenager was a threat to anyone before he burned him alive in a hellfire strike, and the "Progressives" never said squat.

Now we are supposed to be impressed as you get into a shitstorm of self righteous outrage over the Saudi's maybe killing an intelligence operative that the government of Saudi Arabia viewed as threat?

 

Are you daft, I never mentioned anything regarding "self righteous outrage," although there are even a whole lot of GOP Senators who have expressed such, but rather the manner in which Trump has handled the matter, again taking the word of an autocrat and creating false innuendos about a "rogue nation" being involved

If you are going to post at least know what the tread is about, and your Obama "whataboutism" is still irrelevant

 

Are you bent over with a foul stench in your nostrils, encased in darkness with a choking sensation around your neck?

Rogue elements may have been involved, that's why it's being investigated, Silly!

I'm quite clear what the thread is about. Saudi Arabia may have killed an operative they viewed as a threat to their nation, much like Obama did, only, they actually got the guy they were after with no collateral damage, if they in fact did it. Obama killed Americans without judicial proceedings, and a hell of lot of innocent bystanders to boot!

But now we are supposed to stand up and scream at the Saudi's? Cut off relations? On what basis?

Trump's asked for an investigation, he's checked with the King and reported what he told him. What is it that you are bitching about and why are you bitching about it?

What allies of ours did the same to Obama when he conducted extra-judicial killings of American Citizens, both those he viewed as a threat and in at least one case, his American teenage son who was guilty of nothing.

Obama said if he would have had a son that he would have looked like Trayvon Martin. I guess he didn't think this Colorado Teenage looked like his son would have looked.

 

Wrong again, it is about Trump blundering his way thru it, as I've said before, anything criticizing Trump and Trump attacks the evidence as poor, insufficient, or lacking, but he calls an autocrat and accepts him at his word that they had nothing to do with it, interesting considering the financial ties between the two

And if it would make you happen, Obama murdered millions, now can we forget the "whataboutisms"

 

He's not blundering.

He asked the King about and he has demanded an investigation. When Obama conducted extra-judicial killings of American Citizens that he viewed as a threat to our country, and even in one case the son of one of his targets. Did any of our Allies ask him about it? Did a SINGLE one demand an investigation? Yet, Trump has done both and yet you're still bitching. Why?

Where do you come up with this crap. He didn't call the King a liar, he reported what he said and ordered an investigation.

Yeah you have repeated that several times now, at this point it's more worn out than Stormy Daniel's hoohaw.

Trump vows 'severe punishment' if journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed by Saudis

(CNN)President Donald Trump vowed in a "60 Minutes" interview that the United States would get to the bottom of what happened to a missing Saudi journalist and that there would be "severe punishment" if he were found to have been killed.

"As of this moment, they deny it, and they deny it vehemently. Could it be them? Yes," he said in what are his strongest comments yet on the matter.​

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/13/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-investigation-intl/index.html

That is a much stronger confrontation than any of our allies did when Obama conducted extrajudicial killings. Not one of our Allies confronted Obama, not Canada, Great Britain, France, Germany, everyone kept quiet as mice and you never said ****.

 

Of course he's said none of that. Nor does he owe anything to the Saudi's, they've bought apartments from him though. He sent our top diplomat to meet with them and the Turks to figure out what the hell happened and insure the investigation is on the up and up. We're in a pickle here because they are an ally in a region full of countries that hate us. They are also the most progressive Muslim country at the moment, women get to go to school and even drive now, that's crazy but true. We have to be real careful here and your ignorant approach would end in more tragedy. Let the big boys handle this one, you're out of your league.

 

Still going straight over your head, or like a lot of conservatives, your just obstinate. Trump is blundering it, his response is to accept the autocrats, King and now Prince, word that they didn't do it, and in the meantime planting the innuendo of possibly a "rogue nation" is involved. He didn't have to do any of that, the EU responded properly, accepting no one's word, implying judgement, but demanding a full investigation

Why are you so blind, the exact same scenario played out with Jong-un, Duterte, and especially Putin, rather than be stern Trump granted them all the benefit of the doubt based solely on their word

And, as I said before, Obama killed hundred of trillions, so any Obama "whataboutism" you can fabricate means little, he did it, whatever it was, all irrelevant to this thread

 

No he isn't.

He reported what they said, committed to an investigation and punishment if they were found to be responsible. That's much much more than any of our allies did to Obama when he engaged in extrajudicial killings.

He said no such thing. He said Rogue Killers, meaning Saudi elements, how would a "Rogue Nation" get into the Saudi Embassy, and just what in the hell is a "Rogue Nation?" Can you cite some examples?

 

Another one, Trump gave the Saudis the benefit of the doubt based solely on their word that they didn't do it, no other nation did that rather called for a full investigation, and Trump, in the process, added more by planting an innuendo of a possible "rogue nation" being involved, just like "Ghina could have done it"

Renting an entire floor of Trump Tower isn't "anything," they get pissed and could pull out costing Trump millions

The problem with your approach is that it is an either or, you are nice to the Saudis or you have to go to war with the Saudis, way too simplistic, the Saudis need us more than we need them

And the finale, "let the big boys handle this one, you're out of your league" is really funny, straight talk radio rhetoric, fortunately the vast majority of Americans haven't fallen prey to demogogues as a whole lot of conservatives have

 

Still at it, "he reported what they said" giving them the benefit of doubt, are you really that drunk on the kool aid? And if it weren't bad enough he came back today and doubled down saying even the Prince said they didn't do it

Killers, nations, point being he went out of his way to introduce another scenario, not something that one waiting for a full investigation does

 

You said he claimed a "rogue nation" did it. Please support your assertion.

I also asked you what a "Rogue Nation" was and for some examples.

 

That's dumb. Trump asked him, accurately reported what he said, and demanded an investigation. Do you want Trump to call the King a liar based on no evidence? Are you out of your mind?

Trump Takes the Right Position (Again) on Khashoggi.

 

No, we wanted Trump to do what other leaders did, don't go out of your way to let the world know the King and Prince denied killing the reporter, did anyone actually think they wouldn't have denied it. Or, again, unnecessarily plant a "rogue" inneundo into the event, rather to just to demand an investigation, and apply pressure for answers, it is not like it happened yesterday

Trump blunder another, just the fact that it is still a major player in the news indicates such

 

Trump has taken the right line on this. The Media Helps the Khashoggi Story Along.

“Erdogan is a bad hombre so believe his security apparatus at your own intellectual peril. The political backdrop of this ‘scandal’ is Iran/Turkey/Qatar vs U.S./Israel/Saudi Arabia, guess which side the media is on? Ben Rhodes’ echo chamber is alive and kickin’. Always remember how the media is helping this story along.”​

You can jump to conclusions, we will wait for the facts.

 

Well, it's possible Trump has no clue as to MbS's involvement since Trump may not listen to his intelligence briefings, and I suppose it's possible no one told him we were listening to MbS phone calls when it was planned.

 

So now we got Turkey and Iran as allies? For real?

Yeah, right, "the facts," like Trump doesn't already know "the facts," in other words, give the Saudis more time to work on their narrative that Trump and the right wing media can sell as the "alternate facts." Anything close will do, Trump has the "gangsters using kids" marching up from Central America to deflect off of Saudi Arabia

 

Your reading comprehension just sucks.

Here, try again:

>>Iran/Turkey/Qatar vs U.S./Israel/Saudi Arabia<<<

And you're off topic.

But, I'm sure you are just a terrific person otherwise, have a nice day!

 

"Iran/Turkey," that isn't being on the same side? You got a NATO nation working with a US enemy and a Sunni nation in cohorts with a Shiite nation, and then you are telling us the US media is taking sides, alright, next

And yes, the march from Central America will be the next deflection Trump focuses on, already started, by the time they get close he'll have it matching Attila and the Huns knocking on our southern border

 

You are having quite the challenge staying on topic.