Trump says US will ‘destroy’ Iranian gunboats that harass American ships

I am highly critical of our immigration policies vs. domestic concerns.

My city is often beneath the ariel training path of those attack planes and it is quite a magnificent experience when they roar over-head in formation! The whole ground shakes.

Americans are always talking about "hate". The term is almost never expressed anywhere in Europe and certainly not here.

 

Ask them.

 

Good for Europeans. It is way overdone here in the states. It is almost as if Americans can't express support or opposition to anything unless they feel hard, visceral emotions.

My parents farm was under a training area used by the USAF during the Cold War (not so much now). and it was always a real thrill going out and watching planes of all kinds fly overhead.

A-10s used to fly so low they scared the cattle. Lots of F-4s and A-7s (I fig Saw an F-15 fly by once and a Navy F-14 Tomcat so low once I could see its tail hook under the aft fuselage. Several F-16s in the later 1980s. The big treat though was the late 1970s when a huge B-52 made two passes over my parents house.

Good times.

 

I have.

 

Americans see everything in two extremes: Love or Hate – The worst or the best – right wing or left wing - love it or leave it – with us or against us – and of course, democrat or republican.

I know what you mean.

I used to see Drakkens from time to time but that was many years ago. They are huge and are very noisy. The Viggen is more impressive and it looks more agile than the Drakken. I’ve never really seen an A-10 but they look interesting. I lived about 20 years in the U.S. and I served 3 years in the U.S. Army with one year in Vietnam. The Phantoms were impressive. They took off in formation of threes and they attacked in single file. Hueys were always in the sky but I was never inside of one. I was often transported by Chinook, however.

 

Thank you for your service.

 

Do you happen to recall what the Berlin Wall was designed to stop? Which way people are running when they get killed at the Korean DMZ?

 

I've heard people who opposed the U.S. and its allies interests make two major excuses for why people keep trying to break into the U.S. and other western nations rather than break out of.

1) They claim it's due to western propaganda.
2) Or they claim it is due to them wanting to make money (as though that's a bad thing).

 

I am trying to get you back to post here as I liked the discussion, so here more pictures to help you with your suppositions






This is photo is from the incident involving Iranian speedboats that supposedly got Trump (albeit very belatedly, more than a week after the incident during some US/NATO exercise within Iran's exclusive economic maritime waters) riled up:

This is what reports say Trump would hate to see on his watch:

 

^suicide charges are so charming aren't they? Much like the Charge of the Light Brigade. Songs and poems are written about them.

Posthumously...

 

I am looking to have a discussion with someone (of any political bent) who wants to do their homework. I don't care about who they imagine is inviting suicide, but what facts they can bring to the discussion.

 

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You're not going to find any American on this board who thinks the Iranian military is ten feet tall.

Or even five feet tall.

 

Doesn't matter. I am only interested in seeing people better educated on Iran, regardless of the conclusions they draw from that education.

 

Why?

 

It is in Iran's interest not to overstep the boundaries and do damage that would invite more than a measured response. There are some lines that cannot be crossed when twisting the lion's tail. Regardless of how invincible their motorboats and missiles may be, Iran will lose in such a situation. Iran does have weapons, missiles, that can do major damage but she will still lose.

 

Here is a catamaran-style troop/helicopter carrier that the Iran unveiled a few years ago and which is in service right now.



The pictures below are from a trimaran that Iran is developing. Before someone here yells "photo-shop" (or "fake" as some have done when it came to other mock-ups and designs in yet to be completed projects which Iran shows on some occasions), these are in merely the design and development phase.






See also
https://navalnews.net/the-new-details-of-iranian-trimaran-frigate-safineh/
The new details of Iranian Trimaran Frigate, “Safineh”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...arines-and-a-6000-ton-destroyer/#312c8af47e9f

 

Because:
1- I find the ignorance when it comes to Iran irritating
2- I find the lies about Iran worse -- they help promote liars and demote those who want to tell the truth
3- I prefer a world where education is valued over ignorance

And, because, in my conception of evolution, which is influenced by Iranian thinkers predating Darwin by many centuries, and my conception of the 'oberman' (which is also influences by a tradition that predates Nietzsche by as many centuries):
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/08/27/priority-first-theory-evolution-600-years-older-darwin/
The first theory of evolution is 600 years older than Darwin

 

It is also in America's interest to stop acting like a bully towards a nation which, if nothing else, deserves the respect we afford our elders. Even those elders who might be more feeble than some young bully.

 

In other words you simply cannot bear the fact that your country is a cesspool.

 

I cannot bear the fact that people who know nothing about Iran, are encouraged to have such highly opinionated (and ignorant) views about it.

 

Why? Iran is still arguably an enemy of the United States based on their seizure of the U.S. embassy in 1979. Seizing an embassy is a de facto act of war. And before you bring up the 1953 coup that brought down the up and coming tyrant Mosseghu, (who wasn't legitimately elected) overthrowing another nations government IS NOT a de facto act of war.

 

Has it occurred to you that some of us know a great deal about Iran? From knowing Iranians while in college for example.

 

That doesn't give you any real knowledge about Iran! Learning about Iran involves a lot more than "knowing" some Iranian student from college (from who knows how many years/decades ago!) Even those Americans who know Iranians living in the US, are often in contact with Iranians who haven't actually been to Iran in years, and/or those who have a political ax to grind and have left Iran as a result, who don't really know that much more about Iran than the propaganda they have been exposed to living in the West and borrowing their views about Iran from it.

 

If you think the United States has "propaganda" then you know less about the U.S. than you do about Iran.