Trump says US will ‘destroy’ Iranian gunboats that harass American ships

It is back selling for dollars.

 

Oh sure. The U.S. invaded Iraq to promote using dollars in petrochemical transactions.
Give us a break.

 

"Promote"? It is called "commandeer" and "coerce" by force.

I'm not here to pamper you or give you a break. I am here to educate you and tell you the truth.

 

Feel free to prove any of that.

 

You seriously expect anyone to believe that U.S. invaded Iraq due to them trading their oil in Euros rather than dollars?

You have actual PROOF of this from an unbiased source? And an unbiased source CANNOT be one that opposed the U.S. invasion in the first place.

 

I like to take back the focus on the Iran/US issue specifically. Some pictures of the different types of speedboats in Iran's arsenal, besides the Seraj-1 and Zolfaghar. This one is called the "Ya Mahdi". The Ya Mahdi speedboats, which carry 3 missile launchers, are remote controlled and are unmanned.



A variant of the Al Mahdi found its way to the Houthis in Yemen and has been used by the Houthis against Saudi and other 'coalition' forces fighting against them, where the craft was used as 'suicide bomb' (so to speak, as it is unmanned and wouldn't involve suicide for its crew). It has been used in that capacity in Iranian drills as well, including the drills which used a mock up of a US aircraft carrier. You have just have to be able to watch these things closely. As shown in this incident, and as emphasized by Iran in its promotional video of the Ya Mahdi, the vessel is really very difficult for any enemy to be able to pick out and identify before it is hit.
https://news.usni.org/2017/02/20/navy-saudi-frigate-attacked-unmanned-bomb-boat-likely-iranian

 

I can provide much PROOF but what good would any information be with a biased reception like yours?

I have led you to water but it's no skin off of my nose whether or not you drink ...... no matter how thirsty you are.

 

I'm far from "biased".

And I'll consider any evidence from an unbiased source.

 

It seems to me that if the U.S. were smart it would stay clear of Iran and spend their money taking care of their own citizens. The Gulf of Iran and Oman are potential dumping waters for dead Americans and a junkyard for sunken American ships. U.S. businessmen just cannot resist risking the lives of America's poor & uneducated population in order to get at Iran's oil fields. But as it would be yet another victory for Iran against the U.S. it could be considered a good thing.

 

Good for you!

But I thought you said .......

 

This thread will go on and on while many Persians are crushed under Ayatulla's shoes.
Iran will remain an Axis of evil as long as it's leadership are fanatics and terror supportive

 

I don't believe a source that already believes the invasion of Iraq was wrong or a mistake is capable of being trusted.

 

Ok that's nice.

In that case your statement .....

.... is not true.

 

This thread (and many like this one) will go on and on while Persians and Afghanis, and, Syrians and Libyans, and Palestinians and Grenadians and Vietnamese and Cambodians and Laotians and Haïtians and Dominican Republicans and Cubans and …. are suffering from U.S. treachery. The U.S. will remain the source of evil & the biggest threat to world peace as long as the American Military-Industrial Complex continues to control U.S. policies.

 

I had neglected to respond to this question.

I think the number of speedboats (of various design) built by Iran is in the thousands. The precise number isn't something I have ever focused on -- nor something that I can establish here.

What I can tell you is this:

1- Iran has been manufacturing different types and designs of speedboats for long enough, and at a rate, where you could assume it has thousands of them completed by now. In fact, it is even possible that 30,000 have been manufactured over the course of the period at issue, although many of them could very well be more akin to the 'fishing boats' in people's imagination when they are talking about Iran's 'speedboats' -- and many of those might no longer be operational.

2- Typically, Iran has a few hundred of these speedboats operating in the Persian Gulf/Strait of Hormuz on patrol and related missions. And several hundred kept in IRGC bases dotting the area. These are things you can find through US sources who monitor them. While not directly on point when it comes to exact number of speedboats, you might find this report by the US Office of Naval Intelligence helpful. HERE. (You can go to page 34 of that report for their assessment* of the number of Iranian naval vessels of each category, including some of Iran's smaller naval vessels and speedboats).

3- Besides speedboats that are operational, in clear view, and in active use, some of these speedboats are also buried under sand and camouflaged to prevent their detection. (If you look carefully, you might notice what I am talking about watching the "Iranian counterattack" video I posted). But I don't see how 'storage space' would be an issue for what you can assume will be a good many such speedboats kept by Iran in reserve. Speedboats aren't all that big or difficult to store so I am not sure I follow that query? Iran's military stores thousands of bigger equipment (missiles, nuclear centrifuges, APCs, tanks etc) with no difficulty!

4- The proper way to understand the 'speedboat' threat from Iran is neither looking at it in isolation (you have to look at the totality of forces that will be supporting them) nor, conversely, by imagining that whatever number Iran has produced, it will (or can) be sending them to overwhelm the US navy. The biggest number of speedboats Iran has ever used at one time that I can recall is around 500 -- even then, not in a drill involving swarm of enemy vessels but at a naval parade several years ago. (I have been trying to locate a picture/video from the naval parade I have in mind, but haven't found it yet).

5- All in all, Iran has plenty of ways to overwhelm US naval defenses. And plenty of speedboats of different capacity and function to play a part in that larger dynamic. I am confident, almost certain, that if the US navy was foolish enough to remain in the Persian Gulf in a shooting war with Iran, it would be sunk quickly. That to me is a given. Much more than the US naval ships being able to take out Iran's 'puny' 'little' speedboats.
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*I trust Iranian sources more, even if I don't rely on any single source for my own overall conclusions. You have to become expert in filtering the propaganda when looking and reading both.

 

A lot people overrate US intelligence and its abilities. The same way they overrate those from Israel. Besides the fact that I know they are often wrong on even those things they are trying to more or less honestly report, many of their reports suffer from this endemic problem of being written by people who can't ever escape the propaganda they have been fed!

It reminds of this story, which is pretty incredible if you think about it. While it isn't about military issues, it still tells you how stupidly ill informed even the people in the highest levels of some governments can be trying to peddle propaganda even to their own cabinet!

https://www.axios.com/netanyahu-cor...ake-8cb168c3-99f7-4949-b3fe-bf0c1a57ae62.html
Netanyahu shared fake video as proof of Iranian virus cover-up

Lying to the public is one thing, but trying to pass a clip from a 2007 movie to prove things to your own cabinet? That isn't a hallmark (no pun intended) of someone having such great intelligence (no pun intended here either)

 

The Syrians are suffering because of Assad
The Persians suffer because of the Ayatollahs
The "Palestinians" suffer because of Hamas
The Libyans suffer because they are tribes who have always fought against each other ..
Cubans don't suffer ... just celebrating and dancing ..

 

The Syrians are suffering because of U.S. treachery.
The Persians suffer because of U.S. treachery.
The Libyans suffer because of U.S. treachery.
The Palestinians suffer because of Israeli treachery and U.S. support for them.
Yes, the resilient Cubans probably are celebrating and dancing despite their suffering.

 

How can an American hate their country as much as you do?

 

First of all, I don't hate my country and secondly, if you want to know why an American might hate his country you should maybe ask one.

 

My apologies. You are a Swede. That says it all.

 

Yes. If I were American I would dislike what my country stands for. As it is I am beginning to dislike what my country is doing but I don't hate my country or yours. "Hate" is strictly an American emotion.

 

A lot of those resilient Cubans are in Florida. You want to know who the good guys are just chart the flow of refugees.

 

What do you have against what Sweden is doing? I'm a big fan of their domestic arms industry by the way (Drakon, Viggen, Gripen, S tanks).

And perhaps you don't understand how I'm using the term "hate". I tend to use it as it is used in the Bible. Where "hate" is often a synonym for "withdrawal of affection".

 

The fact that there are refugees in the first place is the result of U.S. oppression. The direction of flow depends upon
1. contact with relatives: Florida
2. geographical vicinity: Florida
3. most likely opportunity of finding an acceptable income: Florida

... it has nothing to do with "good guys".