Trump signs sanctions bill against German pipeline

None planned that I'm aware of.

 

Your paranoia is showing.

Meanwhile the hypocrisy of US foreign policy is nauseating, eg, in the case of Assange, who shone a light on the ugliness and criminality associated with war.

(btw, the concept of 'legal' war itself is an oxymoron, forced onto the UN because you "freedom fighters" cannot conceive of an international rules-based system, backed by a UNSC without veto...just sayin'...)

Similarly, the US unilateral withdrawal from the Iran deal, while hurting Iranian citizens, is mostly a desire to lessen Netanyahu's paranoia about living in Palestine.

As for Russia, you are still living in the time of the Cold War against the USSR, which ended 30 years ago.

The idea that Russia has any desire to take any EU territory by force is....frankly .. paranoid.

 

English is a second language for him, he communicates a hell of a lot better in English than I can in German!

Besides, I'm not sure he doesn't have a point. Lurking behind this are the Ukraine transfer fees which they lose when this pipeline gets completed. And quite frankly, I have no idea what in the hell we are doing in Ukraine, it looks like a lot of Corrupt American Politicians up to no good.

I'm trying to imagine how we would feel if a super power told us that we couldn't build the Keystone Pipeline from Canada, because they wanted to ship us crude at 30% higher prices.

I'm not sure what the point of all this is now, when the pipeline is nearly finished.

 

Well......in 1946, with much of the world laying in ruins, 40 million dead, and the image of that mushroom cloud over Hiroshima in their minds, many delegates present at the formation of the UN had a idea of an international rules based system, backed by a UNSC without veto, ie, a proposal you characterise as a " kum-by-ya liberal fairy tale where everybody gets along, there is no evil in the world".

Actually, most of the reps of smaller nations at the San Francisco conference voted exactly for that international rules based system as described above, so not a "fairy tale".

Unfortunately, great power rivalry between the US and USSR won the day, and the veto was forced onto the SC, against the wishes of the smaller nations.

And so we still have the oxymoronic concept of 'legal' war, bolstered by MAD, but which has resulted in as many people dying in wars since the end of WW2, as died in that war itself.

Note: "evil" in individuals is real, but war between nations is insane, because no nation (ie collection of individuals) can claim a greater share of "good" or "evil".

So to those here who see some "anti- Americanism": don't complain about the cost of being the world policeman - in any case, an impossible role for a self-interested nation (eg "America First") to perform.

 

Well, we are as self interested as any other nation, and any nations that want us to perform the role of world policeman while
Trump is president should be ready to be handed the bill for services rendered.

 

I like Trump's apparent desire to extricate the US from useless wars; but I despise his unilateral withdrawals from international agreements....

Yes, nations who accept the US as world policeman, must pay the bill.

 

One thing i must ask. Do you think this means Germany sends you cash or what?

Spending 2% of GDP means that Germany spends 2% of its GDP on its own military. Buying german aircrafts, ships, weapons, tanks , hire more german soldiers.

Are americans aware of that, that thats what it means or does your orange goon explains it to you like we send cash to you? Because thats not the case.


That said, i think evry patriot here no matter what side he stand on will agree that under this circumstances Germany MUST build the pipeline. No free nation in the world could allow a foreign power to force it into something. By this step, Trump actually made sure that the pipeline will be completed, because Germany would lose its face and freedom in the face of the world.

 

No they don't..........

Germany doesn't even make the top 10. Sad.

 

Since its percent of GDP, the 1.2 % of Germany are more than France, Greece, Estonia, UK, Latvia, Poland, Norway and Romania combined.

Believe it or not but 1.2 % are pretty much when the GdP is 4 trillion.


If we go to 2%, our defense spending would be bigger than all NATO member (except UsA combined). And i dont see why we should build up 2nd largest military in the world after USA.

 

German and US companies are among the most important foreign investors in each other’s markets. A trade war is bad for everyone,
http://www.german-times.com/german-...hers-markets-a-trade-war-is-bad-for-everyone/

At the end of the day they still need each other to survive economically.

 

What you suggest? Do you honestly expect that we kneel? If we allow a foreign country to do that, we can dissolve our nation. I guess you realize, that it is Impossible to allow USA to dictate us energy politics.

 

You agreed to 2%. You are building the largest military besides the USA by buying Russian Natural Gas. What do you think they're going to do with that money? If Russia wants Germany, I say let 'em have it. Learn the phrase "Do svidaniya".

 

You need to look at a map.

 

Russia has no border with Germany. Russia has a small economy.

If you aorry about that so much, sell your LNG on competive price level. Dont expect us to pay 30% more for fuel and depend on ships sailing over atlantic and Trumps irrational mood swings.

An allied country that sanctions souvereign energy projects of a partner nation is not a reliable partner.

 

We can argue about this endlessly, but why...? Oh, and there is also a record of his having received a Ph.D in Law from Leningrad University, too! The record states that Putin was awarded a Ph.D by the St. Petersburg Mining Institute in 1996. And just to add 'salt to your wounds', he's earned other degrees, as well. But go on believing he's accomplished nothing if that makes you feel better....

You and your sort can disparage Putin all you wish, but if you study the man -- with emphasis on his actual accomplishments especially during the past ten years, you see an increasingly powerful, effective, experienced leader who makes our own presidents during the same time period look sadly inferior. Are you even remotely aware of the magnitude of the economic deals that Russia has put in place with other countries like China and India since we hit Putin with our wonderous "sanctions"...? I would suggest that you develop an awareness of these things in order to avoid embarrassing yourself further....

Believe this if nothing else -- thanks to our own confused, self-destructive stupidity ever since '911', an alliance (still in its nascent stage) between China and Russia is growing more effective and powerful throughout the entire Eastern Hemisphere. After Germany gets through going through its own miserable, self-punishing idiocy centered on hyperliberal, socialistic nonsense and decades-old "Nazi guilt", the EU will become a partner in the Sino-Russian axis and we, "the great and powerful United States", will essentially be relegated to the status of a fading memory. It's not what I wanted, Pitbull, but after two thoroughly HORRIBLE presidents like Idiot "W" Bush and Idiot Obama, plus the fact that Trump has had to fight an endlessly-uphill battle with rabidly-liberal Democrats in our country, we're headed steadily down in the world, while Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin move steadily upward toward their goals....

. "Dude! Who knew it would be this EASY...?!"

 

Only 100 miles are left to built. The Suisse ship is leaving and Russia will bring one of their ships
All it does a 30 day delay, maybe 60 days.
To think that they would quit, after having built 1000 miles and 10 billion Euro invested, all the terminals on land nearly finished, you have to be a fool believing in Santa Claus.
In 6 month that pipe line will be operational.
US reputation will take a serious hit, again.

Oh wellllllllll

 

Then partner up with Putin, I'm sure he'll put the money to good use re-building the Soviet Military. Just don't ask us for help later. The EU couldn't muster enough bombs to defeat Libya.

 

No.

I think it's time the EU told the US it no longer needs NATO (Trump might even agree: it would be interesting to see how such a request would play out in the US), because the Cold War ended long ago, and Russia is long past the days of 'wars of empire' and acquisition of territory by force.

Further I think Germany's leaders should show some leadership in global affairs, as should all rational leaders, and actively campaign against the culture of death beloved by "freedom fighters" everywhere ("freedom or death" is the line we often hear)….by working to remove the veto in the UNSC. (see my post #404).

Impossible? I don't think so, though it will take leadership.

Correct.

Correct, but you can see from the responses that Americans DO see the pipeline as an act of war by Germany against the US, given EU desire to maintain an obsolete NATO which is a drain on US budgets.

[Note: I suspect you might be a "freedom fighter" also...]

 

You must also have a 'crystal ball', Professor, because developing a partnership with Russia -- and China -- is exactly what Germany (and the 'tag-along' EU) is going to do eventually! Wait and see....

This won't happen for about another ten years, but it will happen. And when it all settles into place, Russia, China, and Germany (meaning the EU) will effectively be the virtual rulers of the entire Eastern Hemisphere of the planet!

 

If USA sees german energy project as act of war, then USA appears to have mental problems

 

Our mental problems over here started at about the same time as the "911" attacks occurred, and after eight years of Obama, half our population was on welfare of one kind or another -- useless... and mindless.

BUT, many GERMAN politicians -- especially "Gutmenschen" of "Die Linke" are seen by us in Right-Wing America as being like this:

 

Lol. So detached from reality and completely ignorant of history. The United States wasn't in Europe in 1940... and pure evil killed millions.

 

What part of this is "So detached from reality and completely ignorant of history"?:

.in 1946, with much of the world laying in ruins, 40 million dead, and the image of that mushroom cloud over Hiroshima in their minds, many delegates present at the formation of the UN had an idea of an international rules based system, backed by a UNSC without veto, ie, a proposal you characterise as a " kum-by-ya liberal fairy tale where everybody gets along, there is no evil in the world".

All of it is historical fact.

As for "pure evil":
"evil" in individuals is real, but war between nations is insane, because no nation (ie collection of individuals) can claim a greater share of "good" or "evil".

You of course are content to blame Hitler for WW2 which was a continuation of WW1, but no nation has a monopoly on evil.

Versailles reparations after WW1 (a war for which several nations were responsible) and the US initiated Great Depression, had much to do with Hitler's successful takeover in Germany.

 

Energy requirement is another thing compared with economics and trade, as of this date Germany is still sovereign, the sanction only applies to US alone and nit even with the EU or the rest of the world.

 

And do you think German conservatives think different about Gutmenschen? You have same scum.