Trump snaps at reporter when asked about abortion: ‘Stop talking about it’

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  1. Hey Now

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    American public has spoken! Time for fascism now. Prioritize your victims, the more you put ahead of you, the longer you'll be safe.
     
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    Sucking on the Island teat while selling them out. Of course.
     
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    You can only hope.
     
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    We beat fascism by electing Trump. Welcome to the better America.

    USA USA USA!
     
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    Very simple. Trump is pro choice on abortion, will not try to pass an abortion ban, and the only reason reporters kept bringing the issue up to him is to try to hurt his chances. He's tired of the media putting their thumb on the scale against him, and he has every right to be.
     
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    I see something now that I missed before. My apologies for not catching on to this point you were making sooner.

    My impression of most American reporters/journos who are non-independent is that they are majorly careerist. Because of that they toe certain lines on one hand, but become attack dogs for the boss on the other. This is two sides of the same coin of why I give them no benefit of any doubt.

    I really don't see a way of getting to the top of American journalism through a major outlet (local outlets no longer being an option) except by sharing the biases of the bosses, or bending to theirs. Either way, they are not being good journalists/reporters. The whole proper journalistic culture in American seems to have died.

    I hope that clears up your apparent feeling that I was talking out both sides of my mouth. Again, my apologies for missing that point.
     
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    Ok. So we are now clear and in agreement that Trump is a pathological liar.

    What you didn't learn in four years is how following a pathological hurts people... And I do mean hurt: some lose their liberty, some their sanity, some lose their lives... The majority will only lose our economic stability. You know it but it won't dawn on you until it's you or somebody near you who gets hurt. I don't know if there is anybody you care about more than you care about Trump but, if you do, your orange idol now has four years to make this clear to you.
     
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    I see... so your excuse is that you are not aware of what this thread is ABOUT! This thread is about Trump snapping at a reporter for asking a question. A reporter has a RIGHT to ask any question. They are private citizens employed by private companies. You don't have to give a reporter the benefit of ANY doubt when they are asking a question. In the best of case, that's irrelevant to the topic of the thread. In the worst, it's a conspiracy theory.

    Giving or not giving a reporter "the benefit of any doubts" implies a conspiracy theory. What "doubts" would you be talking about otherwise? But if some "conspiracy" was not what you were trying to argue... great! You just need to be more aware of what the thread you are participating in is ABOUT.
     
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    Well, that's might be true on Fox. But it doesn't change anything you have said. You are still espousing a conspiracy theory. You are assuming all journalists lie.

    There are poor journalists and good journalists. When ALL journalists report on Trump's criminal activity, you would have to assume one of two things: either that ALL reporters are corrupt (a conspiracy theory), or that he actually DID engage in the criminal activity.

    A journalist succeeds when they uncover something new. It was the New York Times that broke the Hillary email scandal. Like watergate it was Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein No REAL reporter succeeds by lying.

    I still have no idea what this has to do with Trump being asked a question that he refused to answer, though.
     
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    It's true on all msm lmao. And yes all journalists lie, that's not a theory.

    And it wasnt ALL journos calling Trump a criminal. Just all of certain networks lol which is exactly his point. It's thier bias talking.

    Lying is the status quo of journalism. And America agrees...the msm has lost its power...and it's their own fault.
     
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    Yeah... and that the moon landing was fake, and that the Earth is flat are also facts... not theory.

    Anyway, you must excuse me but I'm trying to focus on posts by folk who have something tangible to contribute. Yours are predictable typical MAGA conspiracy theories. So I'm compelled to ignore them. Nothing personal... it's just a matter of focusing on SERIOUS responses with REAL arguments.
     
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    No none of those...just what I said.

    Your strawman argument is exactly the extent I expected you to go lmao. Facts just don't have a place in left wing arguments.
     
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    America won! Learn from your mistakes.
     
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    There was digression. It was done to show why I (and maybe even Trump) do not trust the motives of esp. American reporters when they ask questions.

    I do understand the thread questions. In fact, there were three.

    Her rights were not violated. Also, Trump was not acting in official capacity, but as a private citizen also, he has a right to dodge the question....even to snap when feels he is being attacked. She wasn't arrested. She wasn't even smacked.

    To YOU. It means much more to me, such as a simple lack of belief a question is being asked in good faith, a sentiment based on things like a general knowledge of the state of current American journalism and reporting.

    Doubt that a straight answer will be reported in a neutral, fair, or conciliatory manner. Its pretty much guaranteed it would not be. It would be characterized in as bad a light as possible...and in fact....Trump would not be given the benefit of any doubts himself. For example he would be labelled as a pro-choice liar or a pro-abortion fundie. He would not be labeled as a man stuck between two hard choices who might have chosen one side because of a practical concern, rather than an ideological one.

    But, you know, if what you are trying to do is hang on to the idea the question was being asked simply for the benefit of discovering and spreading truth, you can do that. But there is no sense wasting time trying to get me to share that view.
     
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    The right of the American people to know what a presidential candidate believes was violated. She asked a valid question.

    I think we will be seeing this during his presidency. We saw it last time. And it's sign of a dictatorship.

    You do understand that when I say "right" I'm not taking about LEGAL right!

    Legally, he can dodge the question. Even as President he can legally refuse to answer any question. But it's sign of somebody who doesn't care for the people. Again: a sign of somebody who believes they can become a dictator. That's who you elected! And when this becomes evident, there will be no excuse for you having done that because episodes like THIS one happened BEFORE the elections. But you were too busy trying to come up with excuses for him to pay attention. Too late now!
     
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    That last sentence is gold. You are doing EXACTLY what I expect a lot of journalists to do, but esp. American ones.

    But as I indicated in the post above... observation indicates that most journalists are looking for over simple explanations, negative characterizations, and attack angles. I am not saying they all just lie....I am saying that too many are too dishonest.

    I am no Trumper. The man is a criminal, though I don't think he is guilty of half of what he has been charged with, and most of what he is guilty of, most reporters won't go after Dem politicians for the same....not really go after them like they do Trump.

    To say "all" is too much. To say "most" might be more accurate. But, certainly, far too many are bad journalists in the sense that they are unduly negative and rather biased, including the bias of their bosses and not just their own.

    That is going to depend on what we are calling "success". Also, lies can lead to success when they go undetected, or even, not cared about. But "lies" is also too strong of a word. I would prefer to say they are dishonest. For example, saying that drinking too much water can kill you is true. But its dishonest to not explain in the same breath that the amounts one would need to drink are so ridiculous, you pretty much need to be forced to consume it like a foie gras goose! Reporters fail to provide such vital detail all the time, or, bury such information deep in the article, knowing full well people skim and will miss it. And of course, there are also the click bait article titles....which are MASSIVELY dishonest. You just can't trust those people. You really have to be careful what you tell them.

    He snapped at a pushy journalist whom he had good reason not to trust. He gave her an indirect answer and...I guess....felt she should have understood he answered that way because he detected a trap in her asking, and so, asking a second time was just her being a pest.
     
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    Loosely, yes to both. But if the state of American journalism were not what it is, perhaps we would have been told the answer?

    Most politicians are lying, dodging, power hunger pieces of filth if you ask me. But I don't think you need to worry about Trump becoming a dictator. We already saw he was powerless against the deep state last election....assuming he had real intent to subvert elections.

    But still, journalists are generally not that good anymore either, esp those with bosses to answer to.

    I am sure I could count the number of American politicians that actually care about the American people on two hands....if I hit the books. Off the top of my head one hand will do it. Trump is just not as experienced as a politician and all his experience is old age experience. He has much better and deeper experience as a showman. So, he is not as good at hiding the fact that he sees us as livestock, same as most of the other politicians.

    I did not vote. But I will own my responsibility for advocating for him over Kamala. That said though, I preferred Jill Stein...so....

    The last time America had a good president, I think it was Jimmy Carter. I am pretty sure he lost simply because of the economy. Americans are a farking greedy bunch who are clueless about their massive over-consumption. Something they have gotten as a result is a plutocracy that has utterly corrupted the country. Neither Harris nor Trump could ever touch them. Relax. Nothing is going to change except maybe the Ukraine War will end soon. Even the abortion situation has not really changed that much except on paper....esp. newspaper.
     
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    Nonsense, typical Kremlin active measures.
     
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    You be sure and let us know when the last sentence of your post actually happens.
     
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    With such denial expect to lose again in 2026. And I am perfectly fine with that as are the majority of Americans.
     
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    Why does the reporter feel the need keep harping on what was not a major issue in the campaign and is a state matter now. He has answered over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and about a national ban the reporter looks like the doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over expecting a different result guy...
     
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    If the Dems controlled the House I could almost guaranty the would trying to impeach him again, while not in office cause everyone is fair game now, for "threatening to possibly becoming a dictator"!
     
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    I think he just blew all you anti-Trump pontificators out of the water by bringing together the broadest coilition in modern politics. I'd say the reporter is more concerned about himself instead of what the country is concerned.
     
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    All true sentences are gold.

    Of course they are! Anything negative sells. Hillary's email scandal, Watergate, Trump's... too many crimes to list... They sell. But they they were REAL.

    I don't care. So long as what they tell me is true. There are many journalists. If some are dishonest, some are not. It makes no difference to me because, when a story is important, I see ALL the angles.

    He is guilty of way more than he has been charged with. We have amply discussed all his crimes, and the PROOF, in this forum.

    Now... there you go. Making accusations that you can't substantiate again undermines your credibility. That sounds like projection. Other than SAYING that you are no Trumper, you seem too eager to defend him.

    This is a pattern on the MAGA right: they defend Trump by projecting. Making accusations that they CAN'T substantiate.

    You keep making accusations that you don't substantiate. Journalists are human being. Just like in ANY profession, there are those who lie, there are those who are dishonest, and there are those that are honest and DON'T lie. So I don't see how any of this is relevant.

    It's a journalist's JOB to be pushy. And here you are again looking for yet another way to defend Trump.
     
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    That belief is poisonous. You are not even allowing for just being sneaky, which is also problematic but is often a better option.

    This is also poisonous, but the guilt there resides with the people and their culture.

    Manure. You are once again expecting solid data on something that would require months or years of data collecting for absolute proof, despite the fact its already something generally believed to be true in most people's experience. Its not my cred in danger, the danger is you coming off as a pedantic fool.
     

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