Trump supporters are gravitating toward safe subjects

Irony from a pure troll.

Trump supporters aren't "ignoring" anything, nonleft media is full of back and forth about the tariffs for example. Didn't bother looking into anything else you claim Trump supporters are "ignoring" because your posts have -0- credibility. Whatever you post, or are told to post, just "assume the opposite is true" is a fairly safe rule of thumb here.

 

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Actually the Trump supporters are sitting back laughing at the lefties stumble over their privates trying hard not to be impressed with this very successful week.

 

And now they are dancing around claiming a very premature victory over North Korea

 

Oh! my! You just described 90% of posts from trump supporters

 

Why should he? He is doing what he should staying within the brief

 

Seriously? "Staying within the brief"? Mueller is focused on everthing, but ...

 

Remains to be seen I personally think this probably a negotiation ploy but we shall see.

 

Now that's a laughable statement. We are now well beyond the hunt for collusion which never really existed to begin with.

 

Any attorney can rest his case but that is just the end of his argument. A good attorney does not rest until he's made his case with a preponderance of evidence. Nothing the boy president ever produced in the way of proof ever satisfied any real American. This was just the beginning of eight years of flim flam.

 

Trump is back and forth on the tariffs issue. Don't you listen to what he said?

To some degree Trump supporters are engaging in conversations about the tariffs and North Korea ... with themselves. They all nod and agree on how brilliant they all are while ignoring other points of view from critics of Trump.

The rare Trump fan who does engage a critic fails to deal with the issues raised by the critic. Instead the Trump fan engages the critic with ad hominem insults such as "Didn't bother looking into anything else you claim Trump supporters are "ignoring" because your posts have -0- credibility. Whatever you post, or are told to post, just "assume the opposite is true" is a fairly safe rule of thumb here."

Obviously, this poster was incapable of dealing with the issues. So, he ignored them much like other Trump supporters. Their worn-out excuse is that all posts from all critics have zero credibility, a laughable assertion.

 

No, your spam is so predictable and fanciful that there's no need to waste more time on it other than in casual expressions of dismissal.

 

Okay, I am going to give you another chance, but I think you are incapable of dealing with real issues. Instead, you come up with boneheaded excuses not to deal with the issues. So, here you go. Tell us where this is all wrong. Explain how brilliant Trump was with his tariffs and decision to talk to Kim. Tear these comments apart ... if you can. I'm betting you can't. This offer is extended to all Trump supporters. Prove me wrong.

President Donald Trump flipped years of international policy on its head in a 12-hour span on Thursday by punishing American allies for producing steel and aluminum and rewarding an American enemy with a presidential meeting.

The decisions -- first to impose a 25% tariff on steel and 10% tariff on aluminum over the cries of American allies and second to agree to a meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un without detailed preconditions -- was quintessential Trump. White House aides, even those who were left in the dark on much of it, were nonplussed about the fact that the President was breaking the mold.

Their collective response:

But Thursday represented more than just a campaign promise fulfilled. It signified a stark break from years of American foreign policy that has looked to reward friends and punish enemies, one that had experts worried the United States was taking too dramatic a step on trade and too risky a step on foreign policy.

Trump's first decision -- to impose a 25% tariff on steel imports and a 10% tariff on aluminum -- rankled American allies, leading them to promise a punitive response on all American products like bourbon, jeans and motorcycles.

While the action was heralded by steel unions and Trump's base of voters -- even the Democratic-leaning AFL-CIO union group heralded the move as a way to punish international cheaters -- the decision is expected to raise prices on companies that use steel products and divided an already deeply split White House.
But, as a subtle warning to the President, 11 of the nations allies got together on the same day that he imposed tariffs to sign the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a sweeping trade agreement that Trump withdrew from last year.

The agreement brings Mexico, Canada, Japan and a host of other nations -- all longtime American allies -- closer together, with the United States on the outside looking in.

The more surprising choice came when South Korean negotiators, after briefing the President, announced on the driveway of the White House that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un extended an invitation to meet with Trump, which the President quickly accepted.

The possible meeting jolted Washington, with even longtime North Korea experts befuddled by how Trump got from calling Trump "short and fat" to meeting with him in mere months. These experts had a primary warning for Trump, too: Do not reward Kim, a brutal dictator who has consolidated power through murder, with a presidential meeting.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/10/politics/donald-trump-week/index.html

This is what he promised to do. Many are weary of hearing this moronic excuse for doing something really stupid, as in the case of his foolish tariffs and incomprehensible decision to dash off to talks with Kim. Just because he promised to do something does not mean it is right or prudent. Indeed, the opposite is true. In some cases, like the tariffs and his willingness to talk to a brutal dictator, it should be a warning to cooler heads to restrain Trump.

 

Supposedly, Kim Jung Un invited Trump to private talks between the two of them. This came from a South Korean diplomat, but we have heard nothing from Kim or the state controlled North Korean press. Trump jumped at the chance and immediately agreed. By doing so, he played right into Kim's hands, providing exactly what Kim wants, and Trump overturned 64 years of American foreign policy. The news media is going nuts. Conservative websites, cable news, and pundits are ecstatic.

There is just one problem. This is one huge political stunt ... again. Trump is grandstanding ... again. Trump is trying to accomplish with rhetoric what he cannot accomplish in reality ... again. Let me explain.

First, has everyone forgotten? President Trump will insist on “concrete, verifiable actions” from North Korea before holding a promised summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the White House said Friday. Press secretary Sarah Sanders repeated the insistence on “concrete, verifiable” steps several times, and asserted that the United States had given up no leverage in agreeing to hold the unprecedented meeting.

Sanders said talks would only happen once the rogue nation takes "concrete and verifiable action" to demonstrate its commitment to denuclearization.

Obviously, the press secretary was not saying that on her own. She was instructed to say that.

Senator Rubio told "CBS This Morning, "If he's not willing to give up nuclear weapons and the ability to strike the United States, then my sense is that this is basically an effort to undermine international sanctions by saying, 'Look, I'm willing to meet.' But in those meetings, he will make requests the U.S. can never accept. Kim has won a major victory, a victory Trump wants to concede, by just meeting with the American President.

Trumps makes a big show of the pretension that North Korea has conceded that the sanctions will continue. Also, North Korea will allow U.S. troops to remain on the Korean Peninsula, and routine joint military exercises between the United States and South Korea would continue as planned.

Those are not concessions. We already have those things.

Trump makes a big show of the idea that, ostensibly, North Korea will not conduct any tests prior to the meeting, and that the two of them will be discussing a freeze on nuclear development. North Korea has not conducted any tests since November; so, that is hardly a condition for talks. Also, there is a considerable difference between a freeze on nuclear development and denuclearization. Apparently, Trump thinks Americans can't figure that out. A freeze is nothing, particularly when one realizes that North Korea has made enormous progress in nuclear development in the past two years. She can afford to give her scientists a rest.

Again, North Korea has said nothing. She has not conceded a thing. As we listen to the oratory from the White House, it is important to understand that.

Next, Trump tweeted that Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was “very enthusiastic about talks with North Korea.” That is not quite true, but, then, anything Trump says can be taken with a grain of salt. Abe said Tokyo will work with Washington to continue maintaining economic sanctions and military deterrence on Pyongyang until it demonstrates the "complete, verifiable and irreversible" dismantling of its ballistic missiles and nuclear program.

On the other hand, China and Russia have cheered an impending meeting between Trump and the North Korean leader.

So, except for the fact that China and Russia wish to have Trump hand a diplomatic victory to North Korea, nothing has changed except Trump's meaningless rhetoric. Pre-conditions for talks remain the same, actionable, verifiable denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

That will not happen in the foreseeable future and neither will the talks.

Trump is getting enormous heat because of Stormy, his self-defeating tariffs on steel and aluminum, and all the while Mueller is closing in. In his mind, he wanted to prove that he was still the President.

That is true, unfortunately, in name only.

 

Two huge stories in the news today are Trump's self-destructive tariffs on steel and aluminum and Trump's impulsive decision to speak with the North Korean dictator without any pre-conditions. "Meeting being planned," he tweeted.

Scanning through the current threads, one thing becomes clear. With some important exceptions, Trump fans are avoiding the two most important issues facing our nation today, Trump's tariffs and his decision to talk to Kim. Both topics are dominating the news cycle and have been since Thursday.

Those who support Trump are not interested. That says a lot about his supporters.

 

Now Trump's fans are discussing the Iraq war and Obama. Well, that is certainly okay. If I were a Trump fan, I wouldn't want to talk about Trump's tariffs and his rash decision to meet with the North Korean dictator and throwing six decades of American foreign policy down the toilet.

 

Give Nalyot and Golovan a scratch under the chin since you're all there.

 

Why are Trump fans avoiding threads that concern the three most important issues facing us today, Trump's gun safety proposals, Trump's tariffs, and Trump's agreement to talk to Kim?

The answer is obvious. Even Trump fans know their hero is blowing it, and their preferred strategy is to ignore reality.

It is much easier to relive the Iraq War and tee off on Obama.

 

Trump is doing ok on all three

What is it about talks with kim that bother you?

 

What are you effin talking about? The three reasons you gave are exactly why President Trump had a great week?

 

Everything is upsidedown in lib la la land

 

I haven't ignored crap and you know it. In fact, with the exception of tarriffs, which I believe are little more than a stocking horse to get trade talks started, you'd be in favor of most of these.

First, their is Kim, an unsavory little weasel to be sure, but we spent the 1/4 century not talking to the family Kim and it has brought us to where we are. All things considered one can with some ease call the policy of unilateral avoidance a failure, if not an abject failure. Kim is you typical strong man bully boy. His bluff has been called. Now it is time for everyone to put their cards on the table and Kim knows all he's got is a stone cold bluff. It's always worked in the past but not this time. Now he's dealing with a man that understands just as well as he does that if you aren't willing to take a risk you are never going to win. This is why the striped pants diplomats think Trump is crazy he is willing to take the risks that are necessary to win. To our risk averse diplomatic corps any risk is unacceptable, so they give away the store a nickel and. Dime at a time and count each such loss a victory.

Neither you nor I know how it will all play out in the end. I doubt either of us harbors any belief that the people of NK the real losers in this 68 year war by other means, will change significantly, but if Kim will trade nukes for a peace treaty and a demilitarization of the SK-NK border the world will be a much safer place for all.

As for gun control, as per usual parkland wasn't a failure caused by insufficient gun control, but a failure of law enforcement policy dating back to the Obama administration justice department, in which teenage boys are becoming increasingly violent in a school setting was a function of racism rather than of violent male children. So instead of actually looking for the real problem they went windmills and 17 dead kids is the result.

 

Trump said "everybody wants to work at the White House" at a press conference a week ago.

Economic advisor Gary Cohn announced that he is leaving the administration less than two hours later.

Exactly one week later, Trump replaced Secretary of State Rex Tillerson with Mike Pompeo, who serves as CIA director. The move was confirmed by White House officials on Tuesday.

There is something very wrong about this administration. That is two high profile, highly qualified people who are leaving Trump. Both are leaving because of horrific decisions made by Trump.

Cohn left because of Trump's boneheaded decision to place steel and aluminum tariffs on our friendly trading partners while at the same time jeopardizing 6.5 million workers in steel and aluminum related industries and raising consumer prices.

Tillerson left because of Trump's boneheaded, impetuous decision to talk to the North Korean dictator based on what the South Koreans are saying and not consulting with his state department, defense department, his NSA, or the directors of our intelligence services.

Next up, H.R. McMasters. White House national security adviser Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster could leave his position in the White House by the end of the month, according to an administration official.

Soon after that, James Mattis. All the qualified people are leaving.

Everybody wants to work at the White House.

 

Not talking to Kim hasn't worked. Maybe talking to him will. Who knows.

 

Pennsylvania Special Election Results: 18th Congressional District

Candidate Party Votes Pct.
Conor Lamb Democrat 113,813 49.8%
Rick Saccone Republican 113,186 49.6
Drew Miller Libertarian 1,379 0.6
228,378 votes, 100% reporting (593 of 593 precincts)

The Democrat and Republican in a special House election in the heart of Pennsylvania’s Trump country were divided by a few hundred votes in a race that was too close to call early Wednesday — an ominous sign for Republicans in a district that Donald J. Trump won by nearly 20 percentage points.

Provided by the New York Times.

Republicans who are assessing the damage of this election -- as well as other elections in Alabama, Virginia, and New Jersey -- are totally missing the point and providing miserable excuses for their loses.

This was a referendum on Trump and Trump had a huge personal stake in this election. Much like other referendums on him, Trump did not want to lose this one. Neither did the GOP. They poured millions of dollars into this state-run election, far more than the Democrats.

Against the advise of his closest advisors, Trump ordered tariffs on imported steel and aluminum to protect the steel workers in PA's 18th Distract. It was a tremendous gamble and Trump lost. He lost his economics advisor. He lost the support of his party. He lost the public relations battle. Even in his announcement he started backing down due to the political pressure. He exempted Canada and Mexico, Nos. 1 and 4 on the list of steel exporters, and Australia soon followed.

Trump was in a hurry to make that announcement because two days later he was scheduled to go to the 18th District to personally vouch for the Republican candidate. As it turns out he lost that fight, too.

As a matter of fact, he has lost every election fight in recent months

Which brings me to my point. If Republicans hope to retain their majorities in the Senate and House in the November elections, they have to realize that Trump is a liability, not an asset. They must abandon him forthwith.

That is self-evident to anyone looking at recent election history. Trump has stumped for GOP candidates in districts he won handily in 2016, like Alabama and Pennsylvania, and now Democrats are winning in those districts.

 

"Maybe," but at what a cost? Lost of prestige for the American Presidency. Raising the prestige of the enemy, providing him a diplomatic victory. Elevating the status of North Korea from a second rate military power to a world power. Doing all this on the word of South Koreans, while failing to consult the SecState, SecDef, and our intelligence services. And all this time North Korea is saying nothing, giving up nothing.

All for a "maybe."

And you think this is smart.