Trump supporters are gravitating toward safe subjects

Really? Like placing tariffs on steel and aluminum affecting our friendly trading partners? A topic Trumpians don't want to talk about because even they know the move was pretty stupid. Don't believe me? Check out this thread. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/trumps-trade-war-or-not.527840/

You will see your buddies are avoiding the issue.

Would you like to find out? I don't like repeating myself, so check out this thread. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...tches-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory.528137/

You will find that Trump really screwed up this time.

 

I Thank you for responding.

So, apparently, you agree with me the tariffs on our friendly trading partners is a really bad idea. Even Trump knows that. He started backtracking when he made the announcement. But the tariffs are still there on many of our friends, and now he has moved on to other controversies. See http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mr-magoo-travels-to-san-diego.528389/#post-1068815370

First, the tariffs were just a political stunt. He surprised his staff and lost his economics advisor by announcing them two days before he went to a rally in PA largely consisting of steel workers. Trump lost anyway.

Two, imposing tariffs is not a negotiating ploy. Threatening to impose tariffs is.

Three, the great negotiator has failed to make any trading agreements in 14 months. Imposing tariffs on friends to force them to agree is a ham-handed approach to negotiations and reflects weakness. Nations do not respond well to punitive measures. Also, nations have long memories. The U.S. will pay a price for Trump's shortsightedness. Most Trump fans know this. That is why they are avoiding the thread concerning a potential trade war. They know Trump messed up.

There is an entire thread devoted to Trump's reckless decision regarding Kim. See post #76. Here is an excerpt from that thread.

Administration officials are scrambling to turn Trump's surprise decision to meet the North Korean dictator into a reality, preparing for an unprecedented, high stakes summit with little time, an understaffed State Department and a mercurial President who may not stick to his script when the time comes.

The White House will convene a meeting Tuesday to discuss preparations, an administration official said. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson cut short a trip to Africa to "get his hands around what's happening," the official said. In the meantime, Tillerson and other senior officials reached out to allies worldwide and lawmakers on Capitol Hill to brief them on the decision. Too late, as of midnight tonight, Tillerson is history, fired with a tweet. Come on, I told you this was funny.

It only gets better. White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said the administration is preparing on a "number of levels," an "interagency process" that she declined to describe further.

Foreign capitals are moving quickly as well, with the South Korean and Japanese foreign ministers announcing plans to meet with Tillerson in Washington on Friday for more in-depth consultations. No they are not.

As the world reacts, North Korea has maintained silence, not responding to Trump's announcement last week.

This is getting ridiculous. Because the naive, incompetent leader of the free world agreed to to talk to Kim without conditions based entirely on what some South Koreans said, the whole world is going nuts. North Korea's status just went through the roof. Thank you,. Mr. President.

Law enforcement made mistakes. That is not a compelling reason for Congress and Trump to do nothing.

The NRA is the compelling reason why Congress and Trump are doing nothing. They both are scared to death the NRA will cut short its contributions to them.

 

I always enjoy your posts. They are very comical.

Intellectually speaking, you represent the average Trump voter.

 

!st this guy could only buy a gun in the first place because of Obama JD policies that essentially chose to ignore criminal activity by High school students. There are attempting to do things The proble from the point of view of the left they are trying to solve the problem rather than pretend to do something about the problem.
As for little Kim, sorry but status quo got us here you either take a chance to or things will simply continue to deteriorate.

 

The tariffis are negociable

Trump is protecting a vital domestic industry

 

Sandy, the fact, that no one would negotiate in good faith during the preceding 14 months is why we have tariffs today. The mere threat of tariffs didn't work. So now that Trump had their undivided attention maybe we can get down to business.

 

They are also avoiding the tax cut issue. Nancy Pelosi was right. We will be left with the crumbs; http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wa...andons-touting-trump-s-tax-plan-1186525763833

 

Stephen Collinson writes, "For someone who talks so much about winning, President Donald Trump is racking up quite the losing streak.

"The electoral earthquake in Pennsylvania set to send Democrat Conor Lamb to the House of Representatives from a district Trump won by 20 points in 2016 is sparking new questions about the President's personal political potency.

"That's because state Rep. Rick Saccone is not the first GOP candidate during Trump's term to win the President's blessing and promptly lose. Trump-backed candidates Luther Strange, Roy Moore and Ed Gillespie also tanked in Senate and gubernatorial races in Alabama and Virginia.

"Those busted endorsements suggest that for all his mystical connection with his base, Trump is not necessarily an asset for GOP candidates in special elections. They may also be a sign that the President will be more of a liability than an asset for Republicans come midterm elections in November.

"While some Republicans are in denial over the implications of Tuesday's special election in Pennsylvania's 18th Congressional District, others are concluding that relying on the President in reelection races may not be a sure bet."

Republican U.S. Rep. Charlie Dent said, “This is more than a wake-up call. Those members, many of whom have never been in a tough fight, should be paying attention right now. Last night simply reinforced what many of us already knew: That this will be the most challenging election cycle for Republicans at least since 2006. And it could be worse than that.”

In 2006, the Democratic Party won a majority of the state governorships and the U.S. House and Senate seats each for the first time since 1994.

Clearly, Trump's base is backing a loser.

 

The fact of the matter is, in 14 months Trump failed to negotiate a single trade deal. This actually is quite remarkable considering another fact. By far we have the largest economy in the world. We have the largest number and wealthiest consumers in the world.

And Trump could not make a trade deal! He had to work at making that kind of dubious failure.

So,now he is using strong arm tactics. That will be remembered by our friendly trading partners. The ramifications of Trump's tactics was felt the same day he announced the tariffs.

CNN Money reports, "Trump imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum Thursday only a couple hours after 11 nations signed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a sweeping trade agreement that was once thought to be dead after Trump withdrew the United States from talks.

"Leaders from Mexico, Canada, Japan and other nations officially signed TPP on Thursday at a ceremony in Santiago, Chile.

"TPP's revival stands -- and its very nature as a multi-country trade pact -- defies Trump's trade views. His administration has sought one-on-one trade pacts, initiated dozens of trade investigations and started to renegotiate existing deals."

Nearly every member of Trump's own party strongly objected to Trump's tariffs. Trump began backtracking when he announced the tariffs.

Considering the consequences of Trump's order, do you still think his tariffs were a good idea?

 

With some exceptions a huge majority of Trump supporters are ignoring the vital issues everyone else is talking about, Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum, his impulsive decision to speak to Kim, and his defeat in the referendum vote on Tuesday in PA. This can be seen by the threads his supporters have started. The issues in their threads are either irrelevant or the subject has been beaten to death. They love talking about guns, liberals, the unlikely border.wall, and illegal immigration.

The point being, the three issues mentioned above reflect badly on Trump. Indeed, the PA election, along with Alabama, shows conclusively that Trump is losing his base.

Trump supporters who can't defend their hero stubbornly refuse to deal with those issues. The few that do, simply deny reality. That is too bad because they fail to take responsibility for their decision to support Trump. All Americans must live with the consequences of their decision.

The irony is, Trump's fans are very much aware of those consequences. It is why they are avoiding the most vital issues facing Americans today.

 

My heart goes out to Trump supporters. Their ignorance is scary.

 

The New York Post had this to say. "The tariffs — 25 percent on steel and 10 percent on aluminum — will take effect in 15 days."

Trump signed the order on March 8. So, these tariffs are supposed to take effect on March 23.

After, exempting Canada and Mexico, Nos. 1 and 4 on the list of steel exporters, and later Australia, Trump has not exempted anyone else, meaning the E.U., by far our largest trading partner. In fact, the trade between the U.S. and the E.U. is the largest trading arrangement in the world. Trump's tariffs are threatening that relationship.

As he went back on the campaign trail again to PA, CA, and MO this past week, Trump has not said a word about his tariffs since March 8.

The White House remains silent on the issue as well.

Gary Cohn, Trump's economic advisor quit over the issue. All of Trump's other advisors have been silent on the issue.

It is as if the order never happened. Is this another Trump Presidential order that will be ignored?

Trump's fans do not want to touch this issue. They know Trump is embarrassing himself ... again.

BTW, Trump just fired H.R. McMaster. How many is that now, just in 2018? Porter, Hicks, Cohn, Tillerson, McEntee, and several others, accounting for a whopping 43% turnover rate. That is an extremely grave management problem. Were Trump the CEO of a major corporation, he would be fired.

It is no wonder that Trump fans want to talk about guns, Democrats, the mythical border wall, and illegal immigrants. The important issues are embarrassing and they voted for the idiot. Will they admit they made a serious mistake? Aw, hell, no. Back to the guns and liberals, safe topics to share with fellow Trump buddies.

 

Here is what I find interesting. Trump supporters see the title of this thread every day. The title is an insult to anyone who supports Trump.

His supporters don't even have the dignity of defending themselves. When it comes to the rest of us on this forum, if our views were being directly challenged, we would accept that challenge and aggressively defend our positions. We do it every day, multiple times a day.

But not Trump's fans. Why is that? They have to ask themselves that question. If they can't defend their decision to support Trump, perhaps they should question why they are supporting Trump.

I love good discussion. I love debating issues. I cannot even begin to think of having a position that I can't defend properly or that I was afraid to defend, lacking confidence in the various issues involved.

But that is where Trump supporters are today. With a few really excellent exceptions, when they do reply, it is with wisecracks, cartoons, change of subject, or assailing the Trump critic.

If the shoe fits, ask yourself. Why am I supporting Trump?

 

Not on this board

 

One thing I have noticed about Trump supporters. They sure like talking about guns. Well, it is a simple subject for them.

 

WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Leftists are taking children they have indoctrinated out of school, giving them a free pass so they can talk about guns. Since the shooting in Fla. that's mostly what leftists want to talk about. They ignore things like inferior enforcement. It's either guns or how can we get Trump.

 

I was referring to the many threads concerning guns started by Trump supporters. There is less of them now, and I may have spoken out of turn.

More important are the issues Trump supporters are avoiding. Perhaps, because they know their hero screwed up and they don't want to talk about it.

"Trump's trade war ... or not," http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/trumps-trade-war-or-not.527840/, concerns Trump's decision to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on our friendly trading partners. The tariffs threaten our economy and approximately 6.5 million workers. They go into effect Friday. Trump supporters, Trump, and the White House are avoiding the issue.

"North Korea, Trump snatches defeat from the jaws of victory," http://politicalforum.com/index.php...tches-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory.528137/, concerns Trump's impulsive decision to speak to the North Korean dictator based entirely on what a South Korean said. He did not consult his own advisors or his intelligence. He will hand Kim a diplomatic victory on a silver platter. Trump supporters, Trump, and the White House are avoiding the issue.

Last, but not least, "Trump moves on," http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/trump-moves-on.528547/, concerns Trump's many policy decisions that have been totally forgotten by him, decisions he now simply ignores and refuses to talk about. This is also true of his supporters.

So, now you have a clear idea what I am talking about. These are specific issues his base chooses to ignore. They have a history of ignoring reality and an inability to defend Trump.

I would like to be proven wrong, but I seriously doubt that will happen.

 

More and more Trump supporters are avoiding the important issues as they relate to the Trump administration and talking among themselves about guns, the 2nd Amendment, and criticizing liberals.

The most dreaded subjects are Trump's tariffs, trade wars, chaos in the White House, his recent appointments, firings, resignations, and his autocracy.

According to them, the best way to deal with Trump is to ignore him and what he says and does.

 

One of the many issues Trump supporters are avoiding is the trade war Trump is causing with his tariffs.

U.S. just suffered their worst week since Jan. 2016 caused by Trump's tariffs.

Stocks soared on Monday after news that American and Chinese officials are holding behind-the-scenes talks aimed at averting a trade disaster. Only days ago, Trump's crackdown on China's trade tactics and fears of retaliation sent the market to its worst week in two years.

The stock market today is banking on Trump changing his mind. They have reason to be hopeful. Trump, after pissing everyone off, his own party, our friends and allies, and the vast majority of Americans, usually backs down. As recently as Thursday, he backed down on the steel and aluminum tariffs, exempting every trading partner that mattered except Japan. Japan will soon be exempted. Trump just forgot about the Rising Sun.

Treasury chief Steven Mnuchin made a complete fool of himself on the Sunday shows. He insisted that Trump doesn't want a trade war with China. The two-faced Trump cabinet member said, “We’re having very productive conversations with them,” Mnuchin told Fox News Sunday. “I’m cautiously hopeful we reach an agreement.”

Considering that Trump just imposed $60B in tariffs on China, that is akin Japan attacking Pearl Harbor then saying they don't want war with the United States. I told you, Mnuching, on Trump's orders, made a complete ass of himself.

In 14 months Trump, the great dealmaker, has failed to sign a single trade deal with anybody. So, now he is using tariffs as a weapon to force other nations to sign trade agreements with him. In the short run, that may work to some degree. In the long run, nations don't respond well to threats and force. They generally have an overwhelming urge to retaliate in kind.