Trump Supporters: Please explain this

What's nice about Trump and his supporters is.

We don't have to explain a fu-king thing.

 

The FBI knowingly used sufficient information to get legal warrants to wiretap members of the Trump Campaign.

They did not do it on Clinton's behalf.

The lies and fake news on behalf of the far right coup maker should be in prison..T

That's how serious of a crime it is.

 

You do have to figure out how to justify your support of a traitor to yourself. Then you should apologize to the rest of us.

 

Interestingly enough, and I don't believe I am alone in this, there are a great number of people who are not 'TrumpHumpers', do not idolize Trump, that do not believe he has committed a crime that not only would not support impeachment, but are not felonies, and are getting quite the laugh at the antics of Democrats who deny, deny, deny that they are fishing and witch hunting for any scrap of less than legal (can you say unpaid parking ticket?) they could possibly hold up and say "SEE??? SEE???"

I get that many don't like Trump, I am one of them. But I have the common sense to see that while he may push the edges of the line in his previous business dealings, he's shrewd and manipulative, crass and tacky, it is unlikely that he has done anything illegal. Even for all of the previous, he's not stupid.

 

The crimes are entagled within the overall crime of attempting a political coup on a duly elected president and they are numerous. The initial crime was compiling a fake dossier and then taking it to a judge and telling him it was legitimate.

 

Lol. Thats funny.

 

To suggest a coup occurred from a legal and legitimate investigation of evil during in the Trump campaign that resulted in many indictments, convictions, pleas, jail time, and fines -- is a coup itself. That such an allegation is a heinous felony that the perps who allege that should be in prison for life.

 

To deny it is hilarious.

 

That's silly.

 

The Attorney General believes otherwise, and OH! he's already investigating

Good luck seeing Democrat president erected... maybe in 20-30 years if you're lucky.

 

Yeah cause Clinton explained soo much about why she endangered the country by keeping classified information on a non secure server.

Why should Trump have to explain anything if he isn't charged with anything.. you are right Trump owes you nothing.

 

And that is your response?

No one will ever accuse you of being verbose......

 

You are parrotting Trump's use of the term "coup", which really doesn't apply when constitutional processes are being applied. He was duly elected (per the Constitution), and he may very well be vulnerable to the Constitutional process of impeachment.

What specific crime do you allege was committed regarding the Steele dossier? Are you aware that some important portions of it have been confirmed? This suggests it's not "fake", but rather that it contains some unconfirmed (and possibly false) information. I fully support investigating the FISA process in this case, including examining how the Steele dossier was used and whether or not it was misrepresented. If process errors are discovered (and this does remain to be seen), procedural changes should be made to the process to prevent this happening again. Nevertheless, even if errors are discovered - that doesn't absolve Trump of culpability of crimes he may have committed.

Hypothetically, consider a pedophile who is convicted of raping and killing a child and is given a 90 year sentence. During the appeal process, it is ruled that the detectives that interviewed the murderer/rapist failed to read him his rights, and the murderer's confession (assumed to have been critical to attaining the conviction) is thrown out. The murderer is released from prison because of a technical error. Are you OK with that? From a legal standpoint, we have to accept it - but would you hire the guy to babysit your children? Similarly, if it were somehow ruled that Trump can't be convicted because of a technical error early in the investigation - I could accept the fact that he can't be imprisoned, but why would anyone want the guy to babysit the country as President?

 

An attempted coup is exactly what this was and the first crime was taking a fabricated fake dossier to a judge and claiming it was the result of an investigation in order to obtain a search warrant.

 

Nope, josephwalker, it was not a coup, the FISA court rejects the arguments about a "fake document", and the far right extremists are simply trying to distract attention from Trump and his fellow criminals.

 

And as I said, it's not a "coup" when Constitutional processes are followed. Trump's hyperbole should not be treated as a fact to be defended.

There is no evidence the Steele dossier was "fabricated", that's simply false. It is a fact that it included some unverified raw intelligence (and never claimed to be conclusive), and it's also a fact that some of the information was actually verified by Mueller.

It's possible that the unverified report was used improperly in one or more FISA applications, but THAT allegation has not been verified. If it does get verified, it's unclear to me what bearing this has. Obviously, it would imply that the FISA application procedures need to be improved to avoid such errors in the future, but does this have any bearing on the crimes that were discovered as a result of the investigation? I have no idea.

 

The dossier was not the result of any FBI investigation and was actually paid for opposition research. Portraying it to a judge as a document from an official investigation in order to obtain a search warrant was a crime. This was an attempted coup pure and simple and those involved in it are going to go down. "When you shoot the king you better kill him".

 

You guys are a riot, you do multiple Benghazzi investigations, and they all go bust, and you INSIST that Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and really EVERY ****ING DEmocrat, is GUILTY. GUILTY, hangum high.

But your right wing mouthpiece screws the Mueller Report, and he is INNOCENT, and aren't we all corrupt and partisan? Give me a fricken break.

 

Hilarious.

 

You can read the FISA warrant and see that isn't true.

 

That doesn't make it fiction. Opposition research is about digging up facts on the opposition, not about making stuff up. There's zero evidence Steele lied. No one (including Steele himself) has ever claimed all his information was verified intelligence. Some of it proved to be true, other elements of it remain unverified, and others have been proven false. Yet there's no evidence that Steele simply made up the false information. Why shouldn't the information it contained been a cause of concern?

Devin Nunes complains that more information about the nature of the Steele information should have been included in the FISA warrant. Perhaps that should have been done - that's for the FBI internal processes to determine, but that may or not even be relevant because the FBI has also asserted they had adequate support for the FISA warrant outside of Steele's information. We aren't privy to what all that support is, since much is redacted. Yet you assume, without evidence, that a crime has been committed. I bet you complained about Dems asserting Trump was guilty of conspiring with Russia rather than waiting for all the facts to come in.

Provide me some evidence that was done.

It is not a coup when Constitutional processes are followed. You seem to be convinced that some people in government committed crimes here. What specific crimes? Who committed them? What evidence do you have?

Whether you care to admit it or not, there was ample reason to investigate the Trump campaign. If you don't see that, you're in denial.

 

The warrant is good, and that's the end to Barr's nonsense.

 

Which part exactly isnti true?

 

As you know, anyone can sue anyone else for anything. You would have to ask the potential litigants why they did not. Nobody else can answer that.

 

Roughly every bit of it.