TRUMP: Syria chemical weapons attack crossed 'beyond a red line,' and my attitude has changed

That seems kind of medieval and I have my doubts whether it is necessay. Also didn't Syria already have laws?

 

Laws are meaningless without the means for a government to enforce them. That's why the monopoly of violence must exist first and foremost.

Medieval is an advanced state from anarchy.

 

If the US, Europe, the Arabs, and Israel will stop funding and supplying the rebels Assad will be able to restore peace and tranquility to his country and begin the long and difficult process of rebuilding Syrian society.

 

If we're going to drop nukes can we please nuke Israel?

 

In other words ... Mr. Trump lets his fingers bounce over the keyboard in Twitter or use his mouth long before he turns on the funny organ in his head!
Funny ... I am already saying this about him in the summer of 2016, and of course I am therefore a left, liberal communist and foreigner for many! Is clear...

 

Sure ... And the millions of refugees all return to Syria happily and happily.
Perhaps that would have been the case with Hitler. Forget Britain, the hell with Russia, Hitler will then already pacify Europe and who cares about the Jews, gays, Gipsy, invalid and not Aryan enough looking people!

 

They have laws and a constitution of course:

Article 1: Assad and his government are always right!
Article 2: If this is not the case, Article 1 shall automatically enter into force.
Article 3: Democracy is only for Looser, but because the world loves it, we also make elections, but in principle we win with well over 90% of votes, no matter what the ballots say!
Article 4: The lawfulness of laws determines Assad and his government alone, even if they must abide by their own laws. All others have the laws to obey, but nothing to determine and decide!

 

I think it's more important now than last summer 2016 for him to consider his words, his office demands it. Unfortunately he tells so many lies or perhaps it's his reality that are distorted, and his shoot from the hip rhetoric only makes people roll their eyes whenever he says anything.

So Trump says Assad stepped over the red line..... blah ****ing blah...the day before he threatened North Korea, he's so over the top it means nothing to me.

Besides if he is truly putting America first, he'll keep American troops out of Syria.

ps as far as the left liberal communist foreigner comment, it's an ignorant and stupid remark, I wouldn't waste any time on it.

 

look like we came to the turning point , Putin start to kill own people, Trump finally "get " it. muscovite youth know the truth , the most popular social - media public members use world "sugar" in 90% of the posts , something big on the way,. https://vk.com/oldlentach?w=wall-29534144_5946276
. PS what do you think Trump is gonna do with his "red line"?

 

update :

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...cal-weapons-syria-attack-170406073556666.html

 

Neither France nor Germany have military conscription.

 

Saddam did. Halabjah? Ringing any bells?

 

both Sweden and Finland got it back , if you dont want to be Crimea N2 , you must have an army

 

That's different.....

Saddam got the nerve gas from us.

 

They definitely used to.

 

Let me try and give a little thought process to this whole deal: Who here honestly wants to deal with Russia? I don't mean the 'spirit of the alliance' or any of that junk. I mean the logistics, and the very real probability of a major war with the Russians. You tell me that Putin's an even worse leader than the other Russian tsars? Tell me something I DON'T know. It's precisely because of that, that I'm not going to push the guy's buttons and get us into something that we can't get ourselves out of.

Recognizing Putin's aggression also means recognizing that a buildup is NOT going to deter Putin, but in fact will embolden and(to him anyway) justify his actions. A fully mobilized Russian army with nuclear warheads will not only 'serve' to distract the Russian masses, but is also a far greater contingency than anything we faced since WWII.

I don't think our troops have a WWII mindset, I don't even think Washington has a WWII mindset.

Hardline Conservatives want to treat this as the Soviet Union, but Putin is no Gorbachev and the world is much more aligned towards Russia then it is us. The EU alliance is weak precisely because of its military and political downfall. We're playing hardball with a weak hand. Because while the Russians might be facing the sanctions, they have Iran and China(as well as NK.)

Essentially it's a clash between economic might(Well, at least for the top 1%. The bottom of the Western economies have suffered greatly, something that would be exposed in such a major war) and the traditional military power of the Eastern Powers.

I want to avoid this confrontation, I want to be diplomatic. I want EU-Russia to sit down at a table and see where each other is coming from and get committed to paper agreements from each other.

Avoiding WWIII always meant negotiating with the Putin's of the world. You have to live with it, as ugly as that might seem.

 

As anyone who has even read one half of any post on Trump that I have written that I have had little positive to say about his actions or attitudes.
Trump said yesterday that his attitude about Syria and Asssad has changed. I will hold out hope that he means it. His statement yesterday was is stark contrast to ge other day when he blamed it all on Obama. Well yes Obama does own a major part of the problem with Assad since Obama drew a line but did nothing about it.

Trump needs to stop blaming Obama and act as what he is now, president. I also hope that the gasping of the little children and infants causes Trump to rethink his attitude about Russia. Russia supports Assad and all of Assad's murdering and killing of children. I hope that Trump realizes that just because Russia attempted to help him by attacking and hacking Hillary that Russia is our enemy, Russia is an enemy of the civilized peoples of the world. That is my condemnation of Russians actions past, present, and future, not of the Russian people.

Trump needs to slam Assad with cruse missles as an example of what we can do. Obama failed at that and that is a fact. If Trump does not do something tough to slam Assad then Trump will fail.

I do want Trump to succeed here because I want my country to succeed. My love of my country more than I dislike or distrust Trump.


PS Edit added later- I wanted to say that I commend Trump for changing his attitude on Syria and I do. I promise thatvI will continue to praise Trump when he does something right just as Ibwill continue to be critical when he does something wrong. This one is a good action and attitude by Trump. I hold this continues.

 

Ah, you are sunni muslim. You have to be. For only such a person would want to remove a secular leader, the last one left standing, and turn it over to radicals, who will make assad look like a choir boy. For no American, non muslim, would want assad removed, unless of course you were somehow making money off of the pipe line assad refused to allow Qatar to build across Syria.

 

Agree.........one significant problem. Russia will either have to back channel green light this or Russia will have to blink, which I personally think they will.

 

We are seeing a repeat of the lies that sent up full bore into Iraq. No one in MSM, quite the contrary is even questioning this false flag of using gas. It was tried under Obama, failed, and now under trump, and he should remember the lies that got us into Iraq. Hope he comes to his senses and realizes what is going on.

 

After these gas attacks, the last thing one can call Assad is a 'secular leader'. Now that being said, if the rebellion didn't exist would he have gassed his people? Probably not, but that's neither here or there. Now that he has gassed them, the Syrian people can no longer say they feel safe under an Assad regime(Which is the whole point of the conflict.)

What makes this conflict deadly, is that we had the gall to support anti-American terrorists(ISIS), and the only reason they're fighting in Syria is to build their caliphate. Once they're finished there, they'll turn US arms against the US. AGAIN! What we the US have to do is take a hard stand: No to BOTH Assad and the Terrorists. There are non-violent belligerents(mainly Christians) suffering at the hands of both aggressive parties. These non-violent people in Syria are the hope that will be a true secular government in Syria and we must protect them.

The world does have to give it a Marshal Plan like commitment. But like the other poster said: Syria doesn't have a "template" to follow, and it will inevitably look like a takeover. But that's what it has to be. The alternative is watching an ethnic cleansing of the Syrian People.

Assad had his chances(many chances in fact), and he's blown each and every one of them. We have to communicate that in no uncertain terms, Assad must go. And so too will the rebels.

 

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completely disagree that this is a "false flag". Those were real children, babies. Some of them ad young ad my son who died young. What you said here is the same as the disgusting Fecal matter crap that SandybHook beniers say. I have absolutely no respect fircanyone who sees the death of children a a false flag. Those children were real, they had parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles they are not false flags.
Your attitude disgusts me.

 

I'm really growing tired of all the protracted discussions, and debates about Americas "obligation" to bring peace to Islam. Look at recent history. In Afghanistan, and Iraq, the US intervenes. Remove the tyrants, and provide the "peaceful peoples" of the region a clean slate, and the chance to create their own inclusive, representative governments. All that's required is for the indigenous people to lay down their arms, and place the Quran in the #2 spot on the Islamic "best seller" list, behind their newly authored Constitutions. Instead, they engage in inter-islamic genocide. They spawn new generations of increasingly dangerous global terrorist networks. They condemn, and demonize the west for their efforts, and sacrifices. Exodus ensues. Refugees don't surge across the borders of peaceful, open, inclusive Islamic nations, because none exist. Time for us to admit that all the peaceful Islamists already reside in western countries. Those who remain in the ME all pose an existential threat to civilization.

 

this is very low, look l have a huge sympathy toward Alawites , but what they(Assad) do is a pure war - crime , its a fact that Iran brings in shiias from all corners of MENA: A-stan, P-stan, Iraq, etc. they (mostly Muscovites ) bomb to the dust entire sunni- arab villages . 85-90% of all killed in "Syria" are sunni - arabs, this is not good. Alawites will get their country for sure but not an empire, what Putin/Lovrov call - "useful Syria" , its just impossible, and unfair ...

 

this story has very little to do with Islam, its pure WW3, where 2 biggest players Iran and Muscovy want things outside Islam 1) western ports for its new Persian empire, 2) Crimea/Dombas