Trump, the emperor, has no clothes

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  1. margot3

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    Time to look around and notice how many Republicans are turning against Trump.. and to give some serious thought to why that's happening.

    Who has the courage to stop flattering him and making excuses and say, but he's naked?

    The Emperor Has No Clothes | Commonweal Magazine
    https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/emperor-has-no-clothes

    Feb 2, 2017 - Millions are scratching their heads, if not banging them against a wall, trying to fathom the first few days of Donald Trump's presidency. Trump's ...

    illions are scratching their heads, if not banging them against a wall, trying to fathom the first few days of Donald Trump’s presidency. Trump's first ten days have exacted a good deal of collateral subjective damage to Americans and people around the globe who awaken every morning with a knot in their stomach, wondering, fearing what did he do now? With his twenty executive orders in ten days, it is as though Trump has hijacked our psychic energies and forced himself upon us as an object of constant meditation.

    To my mind, Hans Christian Andersen 1837 story “The Emperor’s New Clothes” provides a fresh perspective on the agitated state of our union and commander-and-chief.

    Andersen begins this tale by telling us that once upon a time there was an emperor widely known for his passion for fancy attire. One day, two swindlers come to the royal palace promising to make "the most wondrous clothes that anyone could imagine." Not only would the patterns be beautiful but the material would have “the amazing quality of being invisible to anyone who was no good at his job or to people who were just stupid.” Of course, there is neither silk nor any other material on their loom. Shortly thereafter, the emperor is asked to undress. The culprits pretend to make adjustments on his pants and train. Naturally, the town is abuzz with excitement about the emperor’s new clothes. After his fitting, the emperor strides out before his subjects. At first, the crowd and royal court gushes, “Oh, my, aren’t aren’t the emperor’s new clothes magnificent. What a beautiful train on his coat! How divinely it fits.” Then a child, unaware of the ruse that only bad and stupid people won’t be able to see the garments, blurts out, “But he hasn’t got anything on!” His parents try to hush him, but the child repeats the same words. Alas, the throng takes it up shouting, “He’s really got nothing on!”

    It pains and frightens me to say this, but it is time we realized our president is not clothed in a sound mind. It does not require a Freud to recognize that the commander-in-chief may not be in complete command of himself. But who will pronounce the equivalent of “the emperor has no clothes?”

    Trump's advisors are just like the couriers in the Andersen story. Be it Kellyanne Conway or Jared Kushner, or any of the others members of the Trump team: no one will tell the president that it is lunacy for him to insist that nearly 5 million illegal ballots were cast in the presidential election and that we desperately need an investigation into voter fraud. No one has the gumption to risk offending the boss by telling him it is bonkers to stand before the Wall of Honor in CIA headquarters and blather about the size of your inauguration crowd or about many times you have been on the cover of Time.

    Forget his impulsivity, his inability to let things go, and the bizarre Twitter eruptions. The day after his swearing in, Trump was angrily jabbing his finger and barking that he has “a running war with the media” and that reporters are some of the worst people on the face of the earth. But some of the press, at least, are beginning to pipe up and say the equivalent of the “emperor has no clothes.”

    Trump is often accused of being a pathological liar. However, Paul Krugman suggests that this accusation might not be fair. As the New York Times columnist and Nobel Laureate reckons, the best explanation for Trump’s falsehoods might be that the most powerful person on the planet is delusional. In a recent Washington Post op-ed, Jennifer Rubin suggests that Trump is teetering on the edge. After registering a select list of Trump’s jaw-droppers, Rubin raises the question “When he denies saying something, what if he honestly does not, cannot recall statements that now come back to haunt him?”

    With his recent ban on vistors and immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries, Trump slid over the line that divides "this is terrible but we can live with it" from "something must be done." There are growing murmurs in the crowd that the emperor has no clothes. Sen. Bernie Sanders has let it be known that he thinks the POTUS is "delusional."

    In July 1965, the twenty-fifth amendment was passed. The fourth section of the amendment outlines the procedure for transfering power from a President who is judged to be incompetent. As Jeffrey Frank explains in a New Yorker article titled, "What if the President Loses Control":

    The machinery moves slowly: a Vice-President, with a majority of either the Cabinet or of Congress, may inform the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the president pro tempore of the Senate, in writing, that the President “is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” In that case, the Vice-President takes over as “Acting President.”

    If the president objects, matters become very complicated, but the central question is: What would it take for the likes of Mike Pence and Paul Ryan to conclude that the president is not mentally fit to lead?

    Leon Festinger's famous theory of cognitive dissonance predicts that, when we have two conflicting beliefs, we will be in a state of anxiety, and therefore strongly motivated to change one of our beliefs. Many Democrats already suspect that Trump is bordering on unhinged. But for those who have backed the reality-show star—and even ridden into the precincts of power on his back—I suspect it would require a lot for them to concede that they have help put an Ahab at the helm of our ship of state. But if the first few days of the Trump administration are any indication, the Republican leadership had better start thinking about the unthinkable.
     
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    Libs are so quaint and oldfashioned..:)
    They stand in besotted awe of the political establishment and think a new President must come from the pool of established politicians.
    Then along comes non-politician Don and takes the Presidency from under their noses and they just can't handle it..:)

     
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    That's not true in the least the objection to Trump is that he's a slimy sleazebag that's all
     
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    Trump is poorly educated and impulsive.. That's why the GOP is rejecting him.
     
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    No actually ... that is how one dresses in Tahiti.Even a big famous movie
    star like Marlon Brando.In the Buff.So Unless former President Obama
    wants to break with tradition ... He'll also be In the Buff.
    Meaning sans clothes.Inn fact all he'll need is a nice terrycloth Bathrobe
    during the nightly Emperor Feasts.
    Just to be clear.All Good Emperor worth their salt own at least
    one terrycloth Bathrobe.
     
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    So now Trumpers admit that the Emperor actually has no clothes...but they make excuses for that?

    What a shocker
     
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    You haven't the courage to look at Trump's lies...

    The GOP won't pass his budget because the growing consensus is that he's delusional and incompetent. He refused to shake Merkel's hand, insulted Germany and trashed our allies.

    All in a day's work between tweets.
     
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    Is it humanly possible for one to attend and Graduate The Finest Business
    School in America { Wharton } and be poorly educated.
    I guess if it's possible for the President of the Harvard Law review to
    have not a single written Law review then ... the possibilities are
    endless.Nothing in Life is guaranteed.
    So why is there a Need for Big Bird.To help little kiddies with their
    alphabet.Going to the potty.
    How to Attend Harvard and get elected President of their Law review
    and not write a single word.
    The possibilities are endless.
    And then the Fat Lady sings.
     
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    MSNBC like Politico feel they have something.Calling Merkel the
    Leader of the Free World.We'll see how popular she is come Germany's
    election.Germans are very frustrated { at their wits ends } over what
    Merkels turned Germany into.A virtual pit stop for other countries
    undesireables.Ask any German living in America what they think
    of Merkel.Don't ask Chris Matthews.You are being Schmucked
     
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    Nah, that was Obama..:)
     
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    You live in fantasy land where you wish people were turning against him. To be honest, he is gathering more and more support as the weeks go on. I am not discussing popularity polls, I am discussing actual support. While the media hates him and the left will do everything to bring him down, the real people in the US and around the world are seeing a new, better Administration. They see real leadership. They see real positive change coming.They no longer look at America as a spineless, corrupt entity. Consumer confidence is soaring again.

    This thread: :icon_shithappens:
     
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    A few diehards might not like Don, but more and more people are liking him because he's a breath of fresh air in the stuffy political establishment.
    And with his brilliant business brain running the economy you'll all be as rich as him in 4 years..:)
    Wiki- "Trump graduated from University of Pennsylvania in May 1968 with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics"
     
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    It is delusional to believe the GOP is rejecting President Trump.
     
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    These "Trump is the Devil" threads are a dime a dozen, just like the Hillary landslide ones. YAWN....
     
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    Another hysterical panic-attack hyperventilating message terrified at the prospect of any change.

    I've notice that tendency in so many Democrats. They can not handle the slightest deviation from how things are and rage and sob against ANY change. Here are the most common examples:

    1. Change in government. Even the prospect of the slightest change in any law, regulation or government agency sends them into an hysterical desperation declaring mass numbers of people will die if there is any change in government.

    2. Change in the climate. The earth's climate has been continually changing for billions of years. However, in their desperate opinion that everything must be abandoned all the focus of the entire human race must be to prevent the earth's climate from ever changing again - desperate to stop nature itself.

    3. Change in national borders. The world history of nations is continuous changes of borders. Nations grow and shrink, rise and fall. But these changes are so unthinkably terrifying that they demand that the USA must do ANYTHING to prevent any change in national borders by even the tiniest country - even if that means going to world war.

    4. Change in viewpoint from that which is dictated. Anything the hear on the MSM must be accepted as absolute truth, even if it 100% contradicts what the MSM told them the day before. No proof of anything is necessary and they must immediately accept and act upon whatever the MSM tells them.

    5. Anything said that is different from what the MSM says. Anyone saying anything that the MSM has not approved of is so terrifying, so unbearable that they will rant, riot, do anything to prevent hearing it and are horrified at the prospect that anyone else might.

    The OP message of this thread is such a panic-rant against change as instructed by the MSM. Democrats have started certainly over 100 panic-attack threads on this forum.

    Their fears are bizarre and trivial. As example in this thread and so common now. Tens of millions of people tweet, but prior presidents did not and therefore a president that participates in tweeting is unthinkably horrifying to the OPer. In the past only the MSM was allowed to present the president to the public such as the MSM wished to. For a President to directly communicate to the public is unbearably painful for how much a change this is.

    The entire message is defined in this intro: "It pains and frightens me..." Yes, sadly, for some people any change and any deviation from whatever the MSM presents, any even hint at any change in the world of any kind, has this effect.
     
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    And both are pure fantasy.
     
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    If Daddy's rich?

    Yes
     

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