Trump threatens Honduran caravan that’s moved into Guatemala

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  1. NMNeil

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    Looks like we need to mobilize the national guard to do their job according to the US Constitution.
    Article I, Section 8, Clause 15, "To execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasion."
    And there is an invasion force heading this way.
     
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    They are coming unarmed with an intent is to request asylum, which can (and probably will) be denied, so not exactly an invasion force.
     
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    It is something else. Asians and Indian parents are very focused on ensuring their kids can earn a decent living, and they know that Medicine provides a secure income for life. They (the individuals) are also prepared to do the work needed to gain entry to Med School. And it's A LOT of work. The cost of the course is irrelevant, because doctors earn more than enough to repay student loans off in first few years of working. Besides, Asians and Indians tend to live at home with parents until marriage, so they have no outgoings as young doctors - no rent, no mortgage. These are smart and hard working people, IOW.
     
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    If they're not stopping and setting up home in the very FIRST nation they reach in which they are reasonable safe from the worst excess of Honduras, they are not genuine refugees, or even anything close to that. They are simply economic migrants. Economic migrants are you worst nightmare, because they're not coming for the opportunity (to work hard reap the economic rewards of their work - like those Asian doctors etc), they're coming just for the money. As in, the free lunch. They have no intention of making good.
     
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    Many of those fleeing have family right here in the United States. Mexico isn't much safer for them than Honduras is.
     
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    You know nothing of Central America or Latin America. Instead you choose the usual ' it's the American's fault' foolishness, just as those in the Middle East, Western Europeans and everyone else from the left has always done. There's not an original insight there and nothing that the unschooled haven't repeated thousands of other times.
     
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    None of that has anything to do with what I said. Economic migrants are NOT refugees.
     
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    Is that the fault of the Americans also? Why don't they go to Venezuela?

    The only way they can get rid of corruption and poverty is to change their laws and culture. Not an easy task.
     
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    Not only that, but it doesn't explain the influx of Economic Migrants from places in which America has had little or no impact. And there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of those.
     
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    Yeah, but i keep hearing that America is hated and were such a "bunghole", bankrupt culture, etc, who would want to move here,lol.

    Obviously many millions would flood here given half that chance!
     
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    They need more Americans there to change their laws, culture and to start all over again. Perhaps adopting the |US Constitution might make a difference rather than what they have there now. Then people wouldn't have to leave.
     
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    I suppose all these migrants haven't heard how terrible Donald Trump is.
     
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    They have left their country. They no longer have to worry about oppression or whatever they were fleeing. Mexico took them in. Why should we accept them from Mexico? Mexico let them in their country, so they found asylum. Build the wall.
     
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    The invasion needs to be stopped at the border and not allowed to enter the US
     
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    Exactly

    They are mexicos problem not Americas
     
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    Why would you even suggest Venezuela? It demonstrates what little knowledge you have of global events. Venezuela is under the control of a ruthless dictator, Maduro who is committing why would anyone flee from one dictatorial regime to another? Venezuela is experiencing a human rights and humanitarian crisis.

    "Under the leadership of President Hugo Chávez and President Nicolás Maduro, the accumulation of power in the executive branch and erosion of human rights guarantees have enabled the government to intimidate, censor, and punish its critics. Severe shortages of medicines, medical supplies, and food have intensified since 2014, and weak government responses have undermined Venezuelans’ rights to health and food. Security forces have arbitrarily detained and tortured protesters, and raids in low-income communities have led to widespread allegations of abuse. Other persistent concerns include poor prison conditions and impunity for human rights abuses."

    The migration of people seeking to escape the inhumane conditions where they live will never cease, it will continue until well beyond the lifetimes of most of us today and will only stop once the political climate and oppression and dangers of living in El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua stop. The only way those countries will make things better for people living there is for the U.S. to intervene. The U.S. intervened in those countries when it benefited the U.S., and our intrusions into their politics created this monster of a migration problem. It's not going to end unless the conditions in their countries improve enough that they feel hopeful about their lives there.
     
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    I disagree. Their intent is not to present themselves at a port of entry and claim asylum even though they have traveled through many safe countries. Their intent is to cross into the US illegally and only claim asylum if they are caught.
     
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    We'll see. Would be strange if 4000 people marching openly with publicized intent to come to US suddenly tried to disappear and cross illegally. Maybe they won't even make it to Mexico. The last batch arrived openly and stopped at the US border and requested entry, which I believe was denied.
     
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    Europe can't/won't, too many spineless politicians and lefties.
     
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    There were some 1,500 of them and they requested entry. If 128 tried illegally and were arrested, then so be it. I'll believe it. My point is, however, that there are people who sneak through the desert and cross the border trying to remain invisible, and then there are these 'caravans' who are not trying to hide. They probably know they won't be let in. I think you know what I am trying to say.
     
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    Asylum rules even state that you're supposed to go to the next adjacent nation you're safe in. Mexico certainly fits that bill before the US does.
     
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    Mexico has made it clear that anyone is free to claim asylum there. They also warned that if anyone enters Mexico illegally they will be deported.
     

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