Trump to declare National emergency for Wall

And you would fund this... How?

 

I'm not a lib.
Congress is in favor of national security - but recognises that Trump's vanity wall is not the best way to achieve it.
If Trump tries to declare a national security emergency in order to get funds for a wall, he will be pursuing a legislative objective (building a wall) that Congress has rejected. They could have given him more money for it, but they didn't.

That will be the precedent. You can't see the bigger picture because you are so besotted with Trump. He is destroying the country and you are cheering him on.

 

Mean like the clown using dictatorship authoritarian plan that will be shot down in courts? Talk about not caring about citizens or America at all.

 

Exactly

Trump is only doing this because he is afraid of Ann Coulter.

RW Trumpies need to let that sink in.

 

Trump is threatening a national emergency because he’s scared of Ann Coulter

https://qz.com/1515560/trump-is-threatening-a-national-emergency-because-hes-scared-of-ann-coulter/

Meet your REAL President:

 

What emergency declaration would solve it?

 

Too bad the Great Pumpkin beat Dems to the punch for a change, eh? Usually the milquetoasts in the GOP let Dems pull that stuff first like they did when they nuked the filibuster on federal judges.

But don't despair. It's only a matter of time until a Dem POTUS does the same thing and imposes socialism on the United States.

 

Speaking of not caring for citizens, has anyone noticed the record profits for the pharm industry combined with record levels of illness? Americans are fatter and sicker than ever. Of those who oppose this abuse of government power, who opposed Obamacare?

 

That's an interesting argument I've not seen before. By the way, as a liberal, I agree with you that we need to stop all illegal immigration. But because the Dreamers were brought here with no say in that decision, and because by living here all or most of their young lives, they've become Americans by default, I support giving them a path to citizenship. If deported, they'd be devastated. They'd be like strangers in a strange land returning to the place they were born. That's mental cruelty inflicted on them by us. They are the exception I support to stay here, other than legal immigrants.

 

Since that decision involves billions of dollars, and Congress is responsible for all American government allocation of funding, then Congress has the power of oversight. I don't question most President's national emergency pronouncements, but I do this one. It is clearly NOT as Trump insinuates.

 

that is the exact deal most would have been happy with. Put the wall where needed, give dreamers that haven't broken any laws a path to citizenship. It was an easy deal but both sides extremist killed the only shot dreamers had.

 

Major chuckles however, it's important to recognize that even just the attempt sets a dangerous precedent.

How many Trump supporters would back him up if said he was declaring abortion illegal due to "national emergency"?

All marijuana legalization laws cancelled and pot declared a major felony due to a "national emergency"

Social Security permanently suspended due to "national emergency"?

VA hospitals shut down permanently due to "national emergency"?

What about striking ALL EPA pollution regulations due to "national emergency"?

Full repeal and cancellation of all aspects of the ACA due to "national emergency?

What if he decided to cancel the 2020 elections on "national emergency" grounds?

If President Trump gets to use this toy even once, I guarantee you he'll use it once a week from now on.

 

No, it takes Trump to school Democrats on the folly of setting a dangerous precedent.

 

Mention what?

 

They'll need to prove it's as bad as 51,000 people per month crossing the border. The Democrats reinforced that by reducing detention beds.

 

Sean Frickin Hannity.... I like republicans more than dems obviously but that guy is a moron “I’m really tough I do karate”..... he’s no mark levin or Limbaugh

 

I don’t want it to happen 1st off lol 2nd idk I’m thinking there are probably ways they could do it through loopholes in existing laws... all im saying is this MAY be a case where we take 1 step forward and potentially go 5 steps back in the long run. I don’t have a problem with funding a wall more I’m not a fan of this route because of potential repercussions.

 

Good, informative post. As a Democrat & a liberal, I support the complete elimination of illegal immigration to the U.S. I support establishing high standards for those we allow entry as legal immigrants. I support reducing the total number of immigrants admitted annually. Because of the negative impact it would have on the mental & emotional health of Dreamers to deport them, I support giving them (innocent victims here) a pathway to citizenship, unless they have a criminal record involving violence. Violent criminals I would deport.

Your public assistance data was interesting. The impact it has depends on the totals those percentages work with. The latest data I could find on Google for ILLEGAL immigrants living in the U.S. were for 2016, and totaled 10.8 million. So, if 63% of them are on public assistance, that's a total of 6,300,000 illegals. Google says the current population of the U.S is now about 328.2 million. Legally, this census would include illegals. So if we subtract illegals from our total, we get a current U.S. population of 265.2 million citizens & legal immigrants. If 35% of those are on public assistance, that would total 9,282,000. So, according to you & Google together, America is supporting 9,282,000 legal Americans & 6,300,000 illegals on public assistance programs. Interesting. . .You're right, the illegal portion comprises a large portion of the total, and would make a huge difference in expenditures if eliminated. But I along with most liberals support ending illegal immigration. So, in that, we're already on the same side. We just need to find a better way of working together on this issue.

 

Actually, I think that bill was passed by the Congress but vetoed by Trump. . .sadly.

PS: No, I'm wrong. It never passed Congress. You're probably right. . .sadly.

 

Democrats don't care about that. They're just pissed that they didn't set the precedent themselves because they usually do.

Full disclosure: I have serious reservations about this, as well, and I'm extremely skeptical that the courts will allow that precedent to be set.

Not that our courts aren't problematic in and of themselves and haven't undermined the checks and balances that were established in our tricameral system to limit government power and the exercise of that power. In that respect I wouldn't be surprised if the courts facilitate yet another breach to get blown inside that system.

Definitely too arbitrary for my liking...

 

We're talking about declaring a national emergency, presumably as an end run around the democratic process itself, i.e., the will of Congress.
Your response almost sounds like, "I know you are but what am I?"

 

You shouldn't hate on women! Some of them tried their little hearts out!

 

No more buildings and beds and the Democrats want to cut back on ones we have now so that ICE is forced to release them.

 

Trump says $8 Billion for the wall in national emergency.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=250822909171984

 

Won't get 1 penny of it before November 2020 for his Fauxmergency.... But then again, he knows that, so it's a waste of time...

It's a joke... it has to be...