Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israeli capital

None the less it is accepted as a form of racism. I mean there is in reality no race.

 

So they murder innocent people, innocent children - even their own- and expect to be taken seriously.

This is a form of insanity, not just a thorough lack of education and life long braibnwashing.. These attacks on innocent people have plumbed the depths of darkness in the human spirit unknown in modern times and, despite all this, these lowlifes expect to be taken seriously as human beings. The idea itself is disgusting. Even other Arab nations understand this.

 

I just wanted to point out that dehumanising people is considered one of the more damning characteristics.

 

Oh sorry if I missed that. Yes, I think he probably was looking for votes.

 

No, it is not. It is a part of Arab culture and the Muslim religion and everyone knows it. That's why that area of the world always ranks among the last in trust and first in corruption.http://theconversation.com/public-d...ability-in-middle-east-and-north-africa-79308

 

Polls count ...

Now I have to check about Bush Jr and Obama regarding the matter of the US embassy in Israel.

 

Obama wins as for political attitude to be ambiguous ...

On June 4th, 2008 he declared to AIPAC

But ...

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-...dents-said-about-israel-and-jerusalem/9234736

Also Bush Jr. didn't joke as for promises ...

Nothing happened!

 

Actually you do. If you are claiming something, you need to show proofs for your claims, so you will be taken seriously by others.

I already gave statistics about the birth rates among Jews and Arabs in Israel and in Judea and Samaria in comment #961-
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sraeli-capital.520543/page-49#post-1068379407


The statistics about Gaza is irrelevent since no one in Israel wants to annex Gaza.

 

Exactly. Which is why Muslim clerics call Jews 'the descendents of apes and pigs'. And why some try to explain away Palestinian mothers murdering their own children, and consder themselves heroes in doing so, if there is a chance to murder any Jewish people.

It is Muslims who are doing the "dehumanizing" and they demonstrate that repeatedly. Do you want more evidence of that?

 

But there is - Muslims and all others (aka non-Muslims).

 

Like there was Jews and all others. It is the exact same thing being repeated.

 

That is not what I said and what I said can be seen by the reality that you clearly did not know what you were starting, just like you did not know what you would create when you attacked Iraq on lies, just like you did not know what you were doing when you attacked Libya, just like you did not know what you were doing when you started financing and training terror groups in Syria.

and now again you do not know what you are doing taking the US into a situation where she can find no friends at the UN.

However just on the current situation Trump went against everyone except his Evangelical Zionists friends and some neo Zionists he has whispering in his ear.

So yes I believe the conceit the US has towards its military power has lost it its brains and for that it will pay consequences and of course concerning this particular situation the lack of brains, the lack of the ability to assess what your actions may bring in return belongs to Trump and his supporters.

 

These things are not true.

Like I said the dehumanisation you present is just the same as was done to the Jews in the 30's. Nothing has changed except the subject of your ire. You make it too obvious.

 

We seem to agree,

 

Good question. That is one year before Oslo was signed. I have not studied this so I can only say what I heard here and make suggestions.

In the UK our Politicians especially Labour Politicians, especially the Deputy Foreign Minister Gerald Kaufman, a Jew, were extremely angry with the US over high jacking plans for peace in Israel. I wasn't following it myself just would hear it on the news from time to time. I remember one time Kaufmann saying something like it will be all right, they will understand or something before he went to Israel. He had been a Zionist all his life though he eventually completely fell out with Israel when he visited around 2003-5 as he did not feel there was enough empathy going on to be able to get justice for the Palestinians. (Of course after Oslo and the wall Israelis and Palestinians had far less interaction which makes empathy on both sides more difficult)

The emotionally heightened feeling from the Labour Party about the US stopping their being a possibility of creating a just solution continued and it was much more against the US rather than Israel herself because the US was who was perceived to be responsible, not Israel as it was believed that if it was not for the US encouraging Israel to take actions which went against finding this solution, it could be found.

Bye the time of the election before 9/11, The Labour Party was making pledges to the British people that if they got into power they were absolutely going to make sure the US stopped doing this so that a solution could be found and there would be peace in the ME.

Now all that is just memory.

What I know happened after that is that Bush managed to get Blair, who some people say is a Christian Zionists to change not only Britian's but the EU's position on Israel so that instead of putting pressure on Israel to move in that direction and putting in people who were experts on conflict resolution like Alistair Crooke, who obviously would be part of what would be necessary for a lasting peace, they pulled them all out, declared Hamas a terror group on a footing with Al Qaeda, instead of going crazy when Israel was violent they told her she could get on using her military against the Palestinians and they would make no complaints and that they could build prisons to put Political Prisoners in. In reality Britain and the EU decided to opt out of their responsibility as one of the four to get a peaceful 2 state solution. A serious part of that was that it would not be possible to get a solution without Hamas and once Hamas was declared a terrorist outfit it would be basically impossible to get that reversed, hence virtually impossible to get peace going.

At the same time as all this was going on all our Political Parties became 'Friends of Israel' which certainly up until it was outed about a year ago, worked out of the Israeli Embassy even working to 'bring down' politicians who had concern about the Palestinians. The Labour Friends of Israel will not say a bad word about Israel and say they want a two state solution. When someone asked them to explain how they thought that could actually come into being, they called them antisemitic.

Anyway that is the massive change that has come about in the UK since we became America's poodle.

Now Clinton was speaking in 92. The Oslo accords were signed in 93. Clinton also did not say he would recognise Israel as the capital of Israel. I think the US Congress one said, the undivided Capital. The 95 one has more on it because Jerusalem in 93 was supposed to be part of the final resolution it being expected Israel would get the West and Palestine the East. Hence when Congress in 95 said they were going to move the Embassy to Jerusalem and declared Jerusalem the undivided capital of Israel they were not only going against International law - East Jerusalem is occupied and I think in theory the West is still International - but they were also tossing Oslo into the rubbish bin. Ten days later Rabin was Assassinated.

I had thought the problems only came from 95 when Congress made this decision but your talking about Clinton in 92 suggests there was something going on in the US along these lines before this. I am guessing that although there obviously will be the rich Jew here and there that the main people behind this are the Christian Zionists and I think it was from around the 80's I read they started to get a strong hold on politics. I also heard that the 67 war made them believe their Armageddon thing was coming to fruiting and they should help it. There is not a settlement in Israel that does not have America Christian Zionist backing. I think possible I have not been aware of just how powerful a force they have been.

 

The death toll over the past 70 years is 40 to 1.. 40 Palestinians to 1 Israeli.

You don't speak for other Arab nations.

 

Getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good thing, leaving Iraq in 2011 was a bad thing, getting rid of Gadaffi was a bad thing. The last two happened on Barack Obama's watch, yet BHO had a lot of support among Leftists and in the Middle East.

The UN is corrupt, useless and a gathering place for the world's despots. It should be abolished and another organization taking its place with only established democracies allowed entry.

Hyperbole does not advance your argument.

What actions do you believe are forthcoming? More islamic terrorism, right?

 

Of course it's true and if you don't know the truth, or are not interested in it, why debate? Doesn't the truth set you free? A small example. http://islamicsupremacism.com/Islam...cholars_Opinions_on_IS&J_files/al-Ghamidi.pdf

We don't have to go back to the 1930's to see Muslims hating and murdering Jews today. Please explain how you are that unaware of what's going on in the world.http://islamicsupremacism.com/Islam...cholars_Opinions_on_IS&J_files/al-Ghamidi.pdf

 

Dehumanizing the Palestinians is exactly what the Third Reich did to the Jews.

 

They are rather lucky it isn't 1000 to one, considering their ongoing terrorism against innocent people, but especially children. I'm one of those three strikes people.

You seem to think that terrorism is a legitimate form of negotiation, just as many Arabs and Muslims do. How's that working for you so far?

 

My source says it does.

 

The role of the Christian Zionists in the recent history of ME is something to consider. Personally [I'm Protestant Evangelist] I've been invited to go and live in Israel. The reason of the invitation is private. I adore my lake here ... but I don't exclude to go to Israel in a possible future.

Your arguments deserve attention, there are perspectives I haven't considered in deep.

So far I've seen Rabin assassination as an "internal job", the act of an extremist Jew persuaded by his own persuasions [to say all I thought Rabin was a hope also for Evangelists ... to rebuild the biblical Israel in a peaceful context would be quite better, I mean ... but if the only option is the conflict ...].

Usually I tend to suspect that conspiracy theories are politically oriented, so I'm not changing my attitude about this [like for 9/11 conspiracy theories and similar ones].

In any case, I've got something to reconsider.

 

Indeed. What on earth is wrong with Israeli Jews by constantly kicking out entire families outside Israel so their Jews can thieve their land. All them little innocent buggers going homeless..... and it's demanded that they may not do anything against this trashing of international law. Nobody comes to protect them as well.

 

Can you provide your source? because what you posted earlier was only the table, without any source of where you took the table from. On the other side, I provided official statistics with sources.

 

I wasn't aware I was writing any conspiracy theories - just what I got to when thinking about it. The stuff with the Israeli embassy is not conspiracy theory either it was all secretly taped. The offending IsraelI whose ambition was to get to the top of intelligence had to take responsibility for it all. If you have free time they are good to watch, four in all.


Oh yes, Rabin was an internal job as far as I know. Never thought otherwise. However coming so soon after Congress's decision on Jerusalem it has appeared to me that it could have encouraged it.

Yes I suspected you might be a Protestant I looked into the Christian Right some time ago, particularly looking at some stuff by Chris Hedges who went through the process of being a Minister himself and whose father was one. He speaks about when he was training to be a Minister his teacher, a Minister warned them all that if fascism came to the US it would come through the Church. Hedges goes through a lot of what has happened from the training schemes to the taking over of evangelical churches. He even joined one just to see what happened and found it horrifying. Obviously I totally know that this is not all Christians but I think it is a deep concern in the US. He believes that if fascism is going to come to the US it will come to it through the Christian Right who he believes are fascist. Both he and Jeremy Scahill have videos on this at Youtube. They notice that the setting is really there already.

If you start looking at videos on this you will then find there are lots of other people who also make you tube videos warning about the American Christian Right, including Christians and teaching schools for Ministers but it has been a wee while since I looked at it. I've got a whole load of notes on my computer. One of the problems of using forums is you can get into something big time as I did this and then something else comes up and you start to forget.

Here, this is just a bit of my notes/quotes to see if it whets your appetite

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Dominionism

I think that the Christian Right is a far more dangerous movement than the alt right. It has many characteristics which it shares with the alt right in terms of its antisemitism, it's homophobia, it's islamophobia …..there is a strain of deep cruelty, savagery even, fascism even, intolerance in the Christian Right which is Institutionalised in a way which makes it far more dangerous than the alt right.

A movement which while it is called the Christian Right really does not have much in common with what had come before Evangelicalism or Fundamentalism

Chris Hedges Master of Divinity from Harvard University.

2007 The Christian Right and the War on America He was given a warning by his Lecturer Adams there who was 80, that by the time they were 80 they would all be fighting the Christian Fascists. The Christian Right have been busy the past 35 years or so taking over US institutions and entrenching itself in Government. There intent to use the US to build a global Christian empire. Adams warned against Intellectual snobbery. The Nazis he said were not going to return with Swasticas and brownshirts, their ideological inheritors he said had found a mask for fascism in patriotism and the pages of the bible. He was not the kind of man to use the word fascism lightly. He was in Germany in 1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti fascism church, known as the confession church. He was eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo who got him to return to the US."

Do not think for one moment this man is against Christianity. He is a Christian and it means a lot to him. He does not however believe these people are. He also speaks about how they have managed to get themselves impregnated into the systems in the US in particular the Legal System and now Trump has brought them into power. I think it was Scahill and Hedges who were talking and Hedges or who ever it was said 'well we are not ready for fascism yet, Trump does not have his private army' and Scahill said, yes he does 'Blackwater' now called Academi.