"The Republican party right now has a very unhealthy obsession with one man who himself has a very unhealthy obsession with personal loyalty." Leader McConnell and many others are on the record right now, as I write this, openly resisting Trump's call for modification of the budget to increase the relief checks from $600 to $2000. So the claim is as absurd on its face as the Fascist allegations and the Russia collusion narrative,which was also promoted frantically by the media for four frigging years. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/stimulus-check-2000-trump-senate/
I have debunked the lie about Trump being a champion of the VA. I had since after Vietnam been an outpatient and a volunteer at a VA Hospital ReGional center. Trump tried to take credit for the Veterans Choice Program by lying that he initiated it. We implemented the Veterans Choice Program in August 2014. Take a wild guess as to who was the POTUS in 2014. Trump tried to steal money from the military base construction funding for his Trump Wal of Mexico. Dialogue with China is going nowhere. I see no tangible effects from his so called crackdown "try" illegal entrants. "Strong proponent of law and order" is a load of Schiest. He used Federal muscle to clear out peaceful demonstrators so he could hold a Bible upside down for a propaganda video. His all of a sudden support for a higher relief amount has to be for some personal reason and not because he cares about those who need relief. He screwed the Kurds and rewarded the Turks, Russians, and the Syrian dictator. He tried to destroy NATO. He is not a Russian agent but he sure as Sciest is a Putin fanboy. No he is not an actual Nazi or a Russian agent bit those are not incompatible. Putin is very much runs Russia as fascist oligarchy. Believe if Trump knew that he could successfully pull off a coup he would since he is trying to missuse our laws to pull of a non military coup. Not taking a salary is just the cost of positive propaganda for Trump and does not do away with the possibility of having creditors through Deutschbank and with Russian oligarchs There is no hatred of Donnie that I see nor have I expressed any and I honestly have not read any post here that expressed hatred for Donnie. I will say that other than his fans no one expresses respect or praise for Donnie. This is very simple and logical to explain in that respect needs to be earned Donnie has not earned any in fact his action provoke disrespect. The same way that he disrespects people who are not his fan boys. Why would anyone praise someone who lies daily if not hourly and does horrible things to our country. You sir are apparently are tragically confusing telling the truth with hatred. We who are not fans of Donnie harbor no "hatred" but at the same time dompoint out what he does wrong or evil. The MSM reports what he does and you must not like to hear the truth about Donnie.
You have the right to your opinion and the right to be wrong. You are doing really well at the latter.
Now you're just being insulting. Two posts in a row. That's verboten here. Back to the merits, are you now saying that you do not think Trump supporters are insane?
Maybe they just don't like the alternative you are offering. They probably don't like being insulted, either.
When so many people fall for the lie that there was widespread fraud guilibity is the kindest way to explain it.
I agree that personal insults are not allowed here. Having said that how is saying that you have a right to your opinion is an insult? Saying that someone is wrong about something is not an insult it is upfront and it is an opinion which everyone has a right to. Do you have a post where I said verbatim that Donnie's fans are insane ? Think about it one may say that an idea is insane that is not an insult.
Every word of that is cynical and negative spin. Referring to the President of the United States as "Donnie" betrays condescension and childish trolling. And yes, hatred. There is no other explanation. It says more about the haters than it does the hated. The only point in that stream of hate that I will respond to is the "possibility of having creditors 'through' Deutschebank." I don't deny that he has creditors. He was in private business (as opposed to having his head in the public trough like Biden for really all his life). People in business borrow money. From banks. It disgusts me to see people insinuate that there is something nefarious about it. And they do so, make no mistake, because it is Trump. Deutschebank is not the mafia. Sometimes the debtor can't repay. It happens. Maybe he defrauded the bank. Maybe you defrauded yours. I don't know. The difference between fair minded people and unfair minded people is that the former reject defamatory speculation like that unless and until it is proved. I am happy as always to keep an open mind.
What's the unkind way to explain it? I think you were saying something about insanity. Are we back to that? I just want to understand your position, with no "sarcasm," as you call it.
An impeached, one term, adulterous, bankrupt, fraud, conman, liar that has the intellectual fortitude of a teenager who claims to be a “Christian” while standing against everything the Bible advocates. Yup, I could see the appeal to many trumplicans.
Verbatim? I think you said something about the Gallup poll being taken in an asylum for the "criminally insane." Yeah, that's close enough. And please don't try to make yourself look magnanimous with this faux-innocent "Gosh, all I said was that you have a right to your opinion. Is that so wrong?" One is either honest enough to own up to one's insulting posts or one isn't.
I was giving an example of how I thought Biden had been somewhat conciliatory to answer the previous poster's point. Since the focus of this little discussion was on how to find middle ground, I'm not interested in following the partisan barrage you posted which would take us in the opposite direction. But if someone else wants to take it up, fine.
Genius! President Trump is a stable genius! SCOTUS found no election fraud, US courts found no election fraud, Attorney General William Barr found no election fraud, Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, a Republican found no election fraud, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is offering up to $1 million reward for finding election fraud and until there are no winners, many Republicans who supervised the elections found no election fraud, but… the stable genius said THERE IS A FRAUD - and he convinced millions of gullible supporters THERE IS AN ELECTION FRAUD. GENIUS!!!
I try to understand people like you, but I can't. Here are FACTS: SCOTUS found no election fraud, US courts found no election fraud, Attorney General William Barr found no election fraud, Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, a Republican found no election fraud, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is offering up to $1 million reward for finding election fraud and until there are no winners, many Republicans who supervised the elections found no election fraud, Are the above people blind, paid by Soros, secret Democrats? What is your explanation?
Vast, vast majority of Americans think Obamster and Michelle Mabel are unworthy of being called the “Most Admired”
Do you think, in 6 months 75 million Americans will abandon Donald Trump and start praising sleepy Joe? Oh boy
A high school bully (the left) kicks your ass, takes your lunch money and then seeks "middle ground" while keeping your lunch money, because he wants to copy your homework... 5 years of non-stop smear, slander, lies, personal destruction, censorship, boycotts, "cancellations", harassment, physical violence directed at Trump and his supporters... and now you expect us to meet these leftist fascists half way without them making a number of giant steps in our direction first? Really? As we say here in Kazakhstan - fuhgeddaboudit. PS Lest we forget that their socialist, anti-american, racist agenda is unacceptable under the best of circumstances. There is no middle ground.
But your analogy is very far from the mark. It suggest the Republicans have been blameless throughout. Why start with Trump? Why not go back to McConnell vowing to oppose everything Obama did? Why not go back to Clinton's impeachment? Washington has been very partisan for a long time. My point is, both sides feel the same way, and while they each blame the other for being the sole problem, nothing will change.
It's legitimate to oppose policies, that's what opposition parties are elected to do.... What we are talking here about is the left's policies of personal destruction and racial division, their non-stop slander, harassment, lies directed not just at politicians but at tens of millions of regular Americans, their "brownshirts" burning American cities with impunity, their mainstream and social media resorting to Pravda-like tactic of suppressing the information and outright censorship... Do you seriously think we are going to reward this with cooperation. Like I said, fuhgeddaboudit. PS The only comparable event in the American history is McCarthyism and until the last 5 years are universally exposed and condemned as leftist McCarthyism and the perpetrators of it are punished and removed from the position of power in the government and the media, there will be no possibility of reconciliation, none.