Trump urges attorney general to craft 'Obamagate' report to damage Biden before election

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  1. Kev12345

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    Ya I started seeing that after I wrote what I did. I also saw he played football and stuff so kinda does sound like a dodge like trump.
     
  2. Grey Matter

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    The Durham Report - why wait? Here's the original DOJ IG report on Crossfire Hurricane, https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/120919-examination.pdf

    Will juicy bits come out about the nefarious Bruce Ohr?

    Another name that seems not to have gained any attention, even though the IG report devotes 34 pages or so to him in chapter nine.

    My question is whether or not you find this blatant politicization of the DOJ acceptable.

    The answer is that you do, and you justify it with a false whataboutism once again regarding Obama.

    Obama didn't authorize either Crossfire Hurricane or Midyear Exam.

    No one made fascist claims that he had unitary executive authority which invested him with the additional role and responsibility of being the chief law enforcement officer of the nation.

    His AG Loretta Lynch pretty much gave free reign to whatever it was that James Comey wanted to do with the bogus HRC email scandal.

    And what exactly did the DOJ/FBI do?

    On Oct 27/28, about one week before the election, Trump/Bannon's so-called deep state put its finger on which candidate?

    The LW/Obama deep state DOJ allowed how many leaks of operation Crossfire Hurricane prior to the election?

    Please, show me some links to any news articles prior to the election that the investigation even existed.

    And by this I do not mean the Steele Stories.

    There were no leaks that the FBI had an ongoing investigation that had considered Steele's investigation as in anyway legitimate.

    But now we have the new TRUMP UNITARY EXECUTIVE ERA.

    In this era, Trump tells the AG what to do, who then tells the FBI what to do.

    But wait, that dream has only partially been fulfilled.

    The DOJ and FBI were apparently still under leftist control.

    Comey was fired for his deep state attempt to control TRUMP.

    His leftist attempt to get HRC elected with his Halloween Email Surprise apparently was of no avail save him from the wrath of TRUMP.

    And then came that Bush/Cheney era leftist Bob Mueller and his leftist deep state, deep dive, witch hunt into TRUMP and RUSSIA.

    Dang, again another deep state fail - TRUMP is exonerated apparently, NANCY can't be bothered to even consider it worth following up on.

    And here we are now with that leftist deep state DOJ under orders from the Trumpicons to release the hounds on the Biden campaign and its leftist deep state loyalists.

    Bring forth the witches - they hunted but for themselves?

    Judging by the results of DOJ election interference it appears to me that the deep state is firmly controlled by the right.
     
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    A reference to the bipartisan deferential verbal testimony of Horowitz in his interaction with Josh Hawley.

    It concerns intimate minutiae of the Carter Page FISA applications.

    The conversation is here, around 1 hour and 10 minutes in.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?46735...general-testifies-origins-fbis-russia-inquiry

    Senator Josh Hawley.

    I like a lot of what I read here about him, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hawley.

    He and Mitt should have lunch together.

    He's taken down one Republican scumbag already it seems.
     
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    Plus correct me if I am wrong the public had zero knowledge of the dossier until right after trump got elected it leaked out.
     
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    But fresh his name all thru the mud just to attempt to make him look bad is ok right?



    If he does that and dont have 100% positive proof I am getting a noose and letting him hang at the justice dpt
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#Hints_of_existence

    Apparently Mother Jones published an article about it around the same time as Comey's Halloween HRC Email Surprise.

    Didn't catch much attention as best I recall.

    The Buzzfeed article on 20170110 seemed to be the one that brought some heat to it.
     
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    i didn’t hear anyone doing that. simply stating the evidence
     
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    because durham isn’t done. The IG report on crossfire wasn’t a criminal investigation

    clinton’s email probe was very real and not bogus...just like this. I don’t see Barr limiting this investigation either

    i get your scared
     
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    Barr isn’t doing the investigation Durham is
     
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    I must admit that I fired off 400+ words because I thought it worthwhile to make a point to the forum.

    You however have made a 36 word effort at trying to engage in a meaningful debate.

    The only thing about you that scares me is that your vote counts equally to mine.
     
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    that last point is how many dems have felt about a lot of people that don’t fall for the party line. It’s a very Stalinist view point
     
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    Nice. So you prefer to just talk partisan trash here, is that it?

    You really have no arguments to refute any of my assertions, eh?
     
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    i thought i did...it’s not released because it’s not done

    the IG didn’t not do they conduct criminal probes

    there was nothing bogus about clinton having an illegal server and classified emails all over the place

    i don’t see Barr limiting Durham

    and my vote counts the same because the Constitution protects my vote from dems that want to suppress it
     
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    Thought maybe you were up to the challenge, guess not.

    No quote or link about Obama telling Lynch to release the preliminary Crossfire Hurricane inquiry results before the election?

    No comparison.

    Ken Starr, no release. The right waiting 7 years for the big O that never came.

    You'll be waiting just as long for the Durhamgasm, I predict.
     
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    i’m not sure there was anything to release with crossfire....prior to the election all the obama officials have testified there was no evidence of a russian conspiracy and the call with flynn was legit. why would he want that public?

    not sure what you mean by Starr. What’s the Big O?

    are you scared the Durham report will hurt biden? why?

    i cerainly hope this is done soon...the fear is if biden wins he’ll close this down to protect the obamagate gang
     
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    You and many others on this forum have little of substance to argue, apparently.

    Worse perhaps, with you, is you don't understand the 4th line of my post about Ken Starr?

    And you don't understand a colloquialism like the big O?

    Damn, I might have to put you on iggy.

    I'm not here to discuss these issues with folks that miss my points by the light years you seem to.
     
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    Obama knew and so did Biden.
     
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    sorry explain your ken Star reference as it related to my comment and the big O

    ken starr was a special counsel, akin to mueller and nobody rushed him. unlike the dem with mueller there were things to investigate. With mueller there was nothing to look into everyone knew there was no russian conspiracy. prior to his appointment but he was still apppointed. but that has nothing to do with durham, durham was appointed to. investigate why the hoax started and like Starr will release the report when it’s done
     
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    You have some sort of typing limitation? What is your point?
     
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    The point is that Obamagate actually happened, it's a documented fact, and it has been proven that both Obama and Biden knew about it.
     
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    Steele passed on bits of his dossier to Mother Jones in October 2016. The Buzzfeed leak was indeed after the election.

    But it was used to obtain the initial FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign prior to the election.
     
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    There was no Obamagate.

    There was Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Trump actually asked them to interfere.

    The FBI opened an investigation, no kidding.

    Of course Obama and Biden knew about it.

    Before Trump took office they expelled 35 Russian "diplomats" and closed access to two Russian "compounds".

    The FBI investigations continued long after they left office - because at the time we still had a relatively "independent" DOJ/FBI.

    However, it's all smoke and mirrors.

    All things having been said and done, the DOJ and the FBI have done nothing significant against the Trump administration*.

    In fact, in 2016, FBI director James Comey made his infamous Halloween announcement that there were some more suspicious HRC emails to be checked.

    And that they were found of all places on Anthony Weiner's lap-top, wtf?

    That's the guy that needs to be locked up.

    Look at the actual results and see whose "side" the DOJ/FBI deep state is on.

    Look at Nancy Pelosi's farce of an impeachment inquiry.

    Whose side is she really on?

    Why does she have such a frenetic stutter when she speaks?

    An oddity for one who holds the position she does.

    Russia has leverage on your boy, it is clear by his actions.


    *
    A handful of small fish were successfully prosecuted and there were some indictments of Russians that means nothing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–2019)#Indictments
     
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    The first warrant wasn't issued until 21 OCT 16.

    The FISA warrants were only to surveil Carter Page.

    It was a complete farce the FISA warrants.

    Carter Page was a CIA operational contact - his ass was covered the entire time.

    Why else did nothing come of it?

    Successfully indicted Papadopoulos, Manafort, Flynn and Stone: nothing on Page.
     
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    That is not the DOJ policy. It is broader than that.

    “Law enforcement officers and prosecutors may never select the timing of investigative steps or criminal charges for the purpose of affecting any election, or for the purpose of giving an advantage or disadvantage to any candidate or political party.”

    https://www.justsecurity.org/70041/...artment-policies-in-run-up-to-2020-elections/

    That has been interpreted to mean if something could be considered political, you don’t do it in the run up to the election (unless there is no choice eg if a limitation period is about to expire).

    Trump is specifically asking Barr to release a report in advance of an election for political purposes. Weaponizing the DOJ.
     
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