Trump's Dangerous Foreign Policy Babble

1. Trump said no such thing about citizens

2. There was no ISIS 15 or even 5 years ago, there were no hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants from hostile Muslim countries, a significant chunk of whom are ISIS or their sympathizers trying to enter Europe and the US. What you're saying about the last 15 years no longer applies.

3. I responded to your initial question, claiming that distinguishing between Muslims and infidels wasn't possible. As I demonstrated it's not nust feasible but is quite trivial. I hope you're satisfied. With the burden of proof on the applicants it won't cost anything, the consuls are already getting paid and part of their job is to know the local environment, customs, documents, leaders...

 

No ISIS 5 years ago? Do you live under a rock? Because one must have to to come up with the brilliant ideas and crazy ideas that you do. Furthermore, what I ma talking about in regards to 15 years ago does apply. ISIS grew out of Al-Qaeda which grew out of Saddam's Army. Some of those every leaders in Saddam's army are currently in ISIS. There have been reports after reports showing proof that ISIS existed as early as 2004. You have no idea what you are talking about, it clearly shows.

 

My point was clear, there was no Islamic state occupying a huge chunk of the Middle East, no civil wars all over the Middle East and no mass, hundreds of thousands man strong migration of predominantly young Muslims with no verifiable documentation but verifiable ties to ISIS and other terror groups to the West, specifically the US.

Why don't you play your childish games with other teenagers. You got your answer, temporarily banning Muslim non-citizens from entering the US is simple cheap and reliable. Chew on this.

 

You have yet to demonstrate how it is cheap, and reliable. Have you ran tests to see the reliability? Have you ran the numbers to see how cheap it would be? No, and No, I didn't think so.

BTW, your point was not clear. You are now back peddling, first it was ISIS did not exist 5 years ago. Now we are talking about how much space they occupy, and no civil wars and so forth. And once again your wrong about the civil wars, Syrian Civil War started exactly 5 years ago and 19 ago. Iraq, Civil war broke out somewhere between 2004-2006. Afghanistan, civil war broke out multiple times over the course of years since 1976 and is currently in a civil war. Syrian Civil War spillover in Lebanon happening over 5 years now as well.

You honestly must live under a rock to think that "no civil wars all over the Middle East" were not happening 5 years ago. But I guess it makes sense to you since ISIS wasn't around 5 years ago as well. Its fantastic to be able to debate someone who literally never heard of using facts in an argument and just throws around times and words and assume they are correct.

 

Let me try again and slowly. 5-15 years ago the situation with ISIS, civil wars all over the middle east and the flood of hundreds of thousands of undocumented muslim migrants moving to the west and the US did not exist, therefore you comparisons with what was going on during the last 15 years are invalid. It's a new unprecedented situation requiring brand new approaches. The consuls on the ground are knowledgeable of local customs, traditions, documents, local leaders, they are professionals trained to interrogate/question applicants, determine if they are telling the truth and validate the authenticity of the documentation provided. It's no rocket science and costs nothing.

Any more questions or you just want to keep you silly childish gotcha game going? It appears clever in your sophomore debating club only, not among adults.

PS we are not debating, don't flatter yourself, I am explaining to you how things work.

 

You are not explaining anything since you still don't seem to understand that 5 years ago civl was prominent in the middle east along with ISIS. So your explaining something, not sure what because your explanations don't mean anything since the facts show that your wrong in all regards. What consuls are you talking about? We would block muslims from entering the United States at the United States customs not at the other airports, that would be literally impossible. Our custom agents are not knowledgeable about the customs and traditions, nor are would they be knowledgable about the local leaders. Sure they are trained to interrogate people, but they don't have a running list of respected leaders in every local community in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Pakistan, and other countries.

 

1. 5 years ago millions of undocumented muslims were not migrating to Europe and the US and thousands of ISIS terrorists were not infiltrating these migrants pretending to be refuges.

2. No reliable documentation and proof of religion - sorry but no visa, no entry into the US. It really is very simple

3. Visas are granted by consuls. citizens of most countries (including all muslim countries) would not be allowed to board the plane at the airport of departure without a valid US visa ....and would immediately be sent back by the US customs regardless of their religion if they somehow made it to the US without a visa. Duh

PS sorry but you are just being extremely ignorant and very stubborn. Grow up

 

It's a sad day when one can't come on here to blame a crook for stealing $40 million dollars from students from a university that never legally existed. We should celebrate Trump's dishonesty, his pathological lying, and his willingness to steal people's money while just being himself.

 

I am being stubborn? I doubt that, you are the one that isn't listening to facts and simply pulling information straight out of thin air. And once again, what is stopping a Muslim from getting a fake baptism document which anyone can print off the internet and laminate and then coming here. Nothing, this idea that we will ban a religion because terrorists are going to be truthful about what religion they are is a joke. You continue to repeat the same wrong information as though it will change my mind. It might change my mind if the information was correct. First you state that no civil wars were happening in the middle east, that was clearly wrong. Now you are saying 5 years ago undocumented muslims were not migrating to the Europe and the US, which is also wrong. They migrated due to the civil wars, which were taking place 5 years ago. The rate of migration actually started in 2010, which would make it 6 years old.

Its like talking to a brick wall with you, I give you hard facts and then you continue to change your story back and forth trying to make it true but yet you have no evidence for any of it.

 

How many times do I need to repeat the same thing:

1. 5 (let alone 15) years ago the problem of mass migration of undocumented muslims heavily infiltrated by ISIS terrorists to the West did not exist. This is a new problem that started in 2014 and turned into a major crisis in 2015.

2. Consuls are professionals trained to verify the authenticity of documents, interrogate applicants and expose their lies, inconsistencies and forgeries.


Here is a few facts:

The Syrian civil war started in 2011
ISIS declared their caliphate in 2014
Muslim refugees previously contained to the Middle East and Turkey crossed into the EU in large numbers in 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

 

Great job with the facts, for once they came out. Facts btw, that you denied were true just a few posts ago. But we can pretend that didn't happen.
Still wrong about number post number one. Pew polls show that Muslims have been migrating in masses since 2010. And these mass migrations included individuals from ISIS. Declaring a caliphate doesn't have much to do with anything since they were ready operating since 2004, and had already aligned with Al-Qaeda as ISIS in that year. In 2014 the simply announced it to the world and gave it a name. But their operations were already happening way before that.

http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe/

 

98% of the students were happy, the university was A rated by the BBB. Too bad the real estate market collapsed and a tiny fraction of students blamed the university for their business failure when in reality they gambled on the continuation of the real estate bubble and lost.

And this is coming from a supporer of an utterly corrupt party and equally corrupt candidate who screwed the entire american population out of millions of jobs and trillions of dollars which they divided between themselves and their corporate donors. Duh, unbelievable

 

98% were happy before they knew they were going to be ripped off; http://on.msnbc.com/1ppN87u

http://on.msnbc.com/1ppMo21

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/04/news/companies/donald-trump-eric-schneiderman/index.html

 

1. The mass immigration of hundreds of thousands of undocumented muslims infiltrated by ISIS terrorists to the west is an issue today. Wasn't an issue even 2 years ago at which time the refugees remained in the middle east, arab states and Turkey.

2. Trump's proposal is intended to prevent undocumented muslims and ISIS terrorists in their ranks from entering the US

3. Trump's proposal can be easily implemented
4. Play your childish games with your teenage friends

 

And now the facts go right out the window again, didn't even bother looking at my evidence that I so nicely provided to you. You have changed you position on these same two issues about three times so far. First no civil war, then a civil war, then banning all muslims so figure out what is happening, now its simply to prevent undocumented ones from coming in. Stick to one lie and run with it, don't jump all around because you are confusing yourself.

 

Yep, I don't read your lengthy, poorly written and unformatted red-herrings. They don't change the undeniable fact that the issue of the West being invaded by a million undocumented muslim migrants including thousands of ISIS terrorists among them is a very recent phenomena which became a major crisis in 2015.

Hundreds of terrorists are infiltrating the Western world daily under the guise of muslim refugees, that was not the case 3, 5, let alone 15 years ago. Trump's proposal to temporarily ban all muslims is in response to this flood of terrorists overrunning Europe and the US and as I explained to you, it can be quickly, easily and inexpensively implemented.

 

You continue to explain the same wrong and unproven idea. "Hundreds of terrorists are infiltrating the Western world daily". I doubt hundreds, maybe 10, max. And it is sad you didn't bother to read my "poorly written and unformatted red-herrings" since in there was a link to one of the most, if not the most respected polling and statistical gathering website in the world. It clearly shows that you are once again, as we established many times before, wrong.

 

I looked at your link which is a red herring showing the trends of Muslim population in the West. It had nothing to do with this issue. Today we have a significant number of ISIS terrorists infiltrating the Western world daily (10 or 100 a day is immaterial, either is unacceptable) under the guise of being refugees. The migrants themselves are undocumented and unvetted, no one knows who they really are and what's on their mind. That is what Trump's proposal is about and that's why your reference to the last 15 years doesn't apply.

 

Nothing to do with the issue today? Wow, there is simply no getting into your head. I give you clear evidence that you are incorrect and yet you think that you are still right.
There is no way that you can sit here and tell me that 10 or 100 is immaterial. I would much rather have only 10 enter pre year or pre week than 100. You keep talking about these undocumented Muslim extremists and yet I have yet to find reports of any of this activity happening, especially in the Untied States.

 

Keep your eyes on the ball please.


1. You claimed that it's impossible to find out who is a muslim. I showed you that it's easy, reliable and cheap

2. You claimed that it was not necessary during the last 15 years because few terrorists sneaked through. I showed you that today a lot of terrorists infiltrate western countries daily, together with hundreds of thousands of undocumented muslims whose real identities, views and plans are simply unknown.

That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I am not interested in debating your irrelevant strawmen and red herrings but feel free to utilize them in your 10th grade debating club. They may well work there for a year or two.

 

HAHAHA you showed me nothing. I keep asking for the evidence, any reports indicating that " today a lot of terrorists infiltrate western countries daily". Where? Does the DOD have these reports? NSA? CIA? You have no idea because they don't exist.

And secondly you did not prove anything when it comes to identifying muslims. First you told me that we can ban muslims, then it turned into major muslim countries, then it turned into both. Pick a side and stick with it, you keep flip flopping back and forth. First we weren't debating you were "explaining how the world works", now apparently we are debating. You just can't seem to stick to anything you say.

I am not interested in debating someone who ignores facts, doesn't use facts themselves, and flip flops back and forth.

 

Non citizens asking for entry visa will have to prove that they aren't muslims or their entry will not allowed. Simple, cheap, effective, legal

Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees
https://homeland.house.gov/wp-conte...ndSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pdf

 

Was it that hard to copy and paste those to links? lol took you long enough. I still have issues with proving one is not mutism. Like I said before I can prove I am/am not muslim in a matter of days, if not hours. It really isn't hard. But by the time you pull out facts for that it will be another two days so I might as well not even go down that road again.

As far as reliable and cheap, you haven't proven either in the slightest. All you do is repeat that and think that it works. How is it reliable? Have we ran tests? Did we conduct a mock airport with this situation? Cheap....once again didn't prove anything at all. There is no evidence supporting that it will be cheap in the slightest.

There is still a massive hole in the homeland repot, because in that whole report it mentions the word "thousand" exactly one time. And it did not have anything to do with the flood of "thousands" of terrorists are you claim. The express report might have some validity, but then again they are interviewing an ISIS member, so I am not sure how much of their word we can take.

 

-I thought you read newspapers, watch tv or at least can google. Every newspaper/website has been publishing "1 in 50 Syrian refugees in Europe could be an Isis jihadist, minister warns David Cameron" kind of articles on a daily basis for at least a year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...st-minister-warns-david-cameron-10501249.html


-Visas aren't granted in airports, they are granted in consulates. Consuls already check dozens of local papers, letters, certificates, diplomas, transcripts, affidavits and other documents, they are trained to spot fakes and interrogate. They will just need to require a few more documents proving non-muslim religious denomination. It really is very very simple.