Tucker Carlson may be able to fool gullible Fox viewers, but not federal courts

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  1. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    'Aside from injuring over 140 police officers during the attack and causing multiple deaths, nothing much happened' is a great argument if you've got a Fox News show. But it means not a damn thing in federal court.
    The most gullible people in the world, Fox "News" viewers, may be super-excited about Tucker Carlson's blockbuster "look at this dude who walked over police officer blood in a mob attempt to overturn a U.S. election.
    The Justice Department is especially not impressed with Jan. 6 criminal defendants and their lawyers who are now arguing that their trials need to be delayed while House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and Carlson both scramble to release tens of thousands of hours worth of security camera footage that insurrection's backers believe could prove, somehow, that the violent chuds who attacked police officers and/or who smuggled weapons into the Capitol building were somehow goaded into it by "antifa," or "undercover police," or that the attacks shouldn't count because after they attacked police, injuring at least 140, they wiped the blood off their shoes before ransacking Capitol offices.
    Let's face facts: the Tucker Carlson audience is made of people too gullible to even make it in your average doomsday cult.

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023...ay-trials-while-Tucker-Carlson-does-his-thing
    Apparently, the Justice Dept isn't very impressed with the ludicrous "claims" made by Tucker.
    Even the lawyers for some of these Jan. 6th Defendants are making total fools of themselves.
    Apparenly, some of the Jan.6th Defendants want their trials "put on hold"...
    Should these Defendants get their request "for trials put on hold" granted?
     
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  2. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is it the Federal Prosecutors held back most of the video done inside the Capital? They threw the book at QAnon Shaman, and the videos show him doing nothing but walking around the Capital and Capital Police even trying to open the door to the House chambers for him. It was even shown he said a prayer for the Capital Police for helping them. There was plenty of violence outside the Capital of people climbing walls, breaking doors and windows. There were videos in small hallways where Capital Police were trying to finally push everyone out as they were going to close the Capital down. But none showing hundreds just walking through the Capital like tourist. There was no damage shown inside. One video showed about 5 Capital Police just standing around as QAnon Shaman walked by.

    Instead of trashing the opposition, you would be better to get more information than what your side keeps feeding you. All you really know is what they tell you. They are only telling you half the story.

    No one was killed at the Capital that day, multiple deaths is a bold face lie. Only one person was killed and that was a unarmed woman protester trying to enter the Capital.
     
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  3. Bullseye

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    Nice transcription of DailyKrap jabberwocky.
     
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    a) because most of that “footage” is empty rooms and corridors
    B) security
    C) The QANON shaman pled guilty
    D) because one of the most useless strategies of all time is to try and claim in court that just because there is footage of the robber NOT holding the gun in the bank it does not negate the bit where he IS holding a gun
     
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    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

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    The autopsies of the dead please, or please stop telling those lies.
     
  6. Pieces of Malarkey

    Pieces of Malarkey Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/its-...ays-doj-lied-withheld-videos-aired-by-carlson

    Again.
     
  7. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They have no footage of QAnon Shaman doing anything wrong but walking around the Capital. The only thing he is guilty of is trespassing and I think those videos that Carlton showed will help get QAnon Shaman off. The prosecution held those tapes from his lawyer.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, but that's where the people were. They showed no damaged inside the Capital. If there had been they sure would have showed it.
    They used security as a way of getting around showing footage inside the Capital. Footage that wouldn't show people running around damaging things or fighting Security. They didn't want to show Capital Police just standing around doing nothing until it come time to close thee Capital and get people out.
    QAnon Shaman and we know how prosecutors work. Plead guilty and we'll give you a light sentence. Plead innocent and we'll throw the book at you.
    But they didn't rob the bank did they? I think the biggest thing one did was to grab Pelosi's laptop. They didn't break down any doors after they got in. They didn't damage things. Most just went around looking and taking pictures. That didn't fit in with what the Democrats wanted people to see,
     
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  9. Andrew Jackson

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    Exactly...
    Security footage of Lee Harvey Oswald minding his own business and stacking boxes...
    That settles it...
     
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    They weren’t fracking FILMING a movie. It is footage from CCTV. Lots of damage not shown like who spread the urine and faeces on the walls and floors
     
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    Aren’t you ashamed to be polishing turds for a bunch of seditious extremists?
     
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    he pled guilty

    "'QAnon Shaman' pleads guilty to felony charge for role in Jan. 6 Capitol riot"

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/qanon-shaman-pleads-guilty-felony-charge-role-jan/story?id=79821976
     
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    showing the calm in the storm doesn't mean there was no storm, Tuker is gaslighting his viewers
     
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    Yes. I'm sure 'why?' is your next question, so I'll explain. You see, the what, hundreds, thousands of hours of footage that is now at least partially in the public domain is what is commonly referred to as 'evidence'. I haven't seen any of it personally, nor will I as I was in a coma on 1/6/20, and had no idea that those events even transpired until months if not years later, so it's not really my place to comment on events that I know less than nothing about.

    But every criminal defendant in every case in the existence of our country is entitled to cross-examine witnesses against them, and to have access to all even hypothetically relevant evidence. Video of events, any events, is the best kind of witness because it doesn't forget, doesn't exaggerate, and doesn't have biases. It's a neutral but absolutely accurate reflection of what happened. The juries in their cases, or their defense attorneys at least, are entitled to see every single minute of any footage that might (keyword: 'might') exonerate their clients.

    If they are guilty as charged, you have nothing to fear from the truth.

    You are not afraid of the truth, are you?
     
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    would be like saying the cops let the school shooter do his thing in Texas so he was not guilty, they just waited outside and let him do his thing
     
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  16. Andrew Jackson

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    Good point...
     
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    False analogy. It would be more like cops opened the doors for the shooter and walked him around the school pointing out which doors were locked and which weren't. Certainly doesn't make the shooter innocent, but it doesn't make the cops innocent either does it?
     
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    Reportedly, there are about 44,000 hours -- that's hours -- of tapes of the storming of the US Capital by a mob on January 6th. A normal work week is 40 hours. A work year, with two weeks of vacation, is roughly 2,000 hours. If one applied that time to watching the tapes, it would take 22 years -- 22 years -- to view the tapes. Were Mr. Carlson to research all of the tapes in a month, he would need a staff of about 260 people doing it 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Though I do not know this for a fact, I suspect that his staff is not that large.

    Given that volume of visual data, it should be possible to 'cherry pick' segments of the tapes which will support any of a number of agendas.

    This poor old country mouse is content to derive the following from what visuals I've seen.

    1. A mob stormed the Capital on that day.
    2. The members of the mob were trespassing on federal territory.
    3. The gathering of people there was planned.
    4. With the exception of one person shot and killed while trying to force entry to the capital, the police on site protected both the congressmen and the members of the mob from injury as best they could.
    5. The goals of some of the mob members can be derived from their recorded words. Whether those words reflected their true intent is conjecture.
    6. Then-President Donald Trump took no action for several hours.

    That's enough for a start.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    I don't watch any talk show pundits. Right leaning. Left leaning. Doesn't matter to me. They all have agendas.

    They are much like politicians. The OP speaks of gullibility. That word fully defines the expectations of our elected officials and, oftentimes, the news we receive.

    What Carlson is presenting is one aspect of truth. What the Democrats presented was another aspect of truth.

    What Americans don't get, because of that gullibility, is that both sides of politics lack transparency and only want their slant to be heard.

    When you look at history, certainly there has been zero transparency by politicians for anyone living on this planet today.

    If you believe you are on the side of the righteous, you best look up the definition of that word gullible or simply look in the mirror.

    That is not to attack any one person or group of people. I include myself in that guidance. We all want to believe in our elected officials. We all want to believe in the news that is reported. We all should understand that sometimes half truths is all they can present to carry forward their slant. Hence, we truly have zero transparency.
     
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    Yeah keep encouraging people to riot over false accusations. What happened on 1/6 should never have happened and those that participated in it belong in jail, period. !!!
     
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    People keep saying a cop showed him around...How does anyone know it wasn't just a cop costume? Was this cop identified?

    It's not really relevant anyway because you shouldn't trust cops, they do stuff like that to set you up. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse right?
     
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    It wasn't just A cop. It was two cops. In addition they passed a group of 5 cops that were just standing around in a hallway with no protestors around except that shaman dude literally walking between them.
     
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    Most of that footage shows a peaceful protest. The Shaman was given a public defender who was not going to go against the wishes of the White House. In other words the Shaman knew he couldn't win and went with a plea deal instead. If the Democrats are so confident their narrative will hold up then they shouldn't be worried about Tucker. Besides only conservatives watch Tucker right? They already decided the January 6 narrative is a farce.
     
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    2 cops showed him around. 9 cops let the Shaman walk right by them. You really should see another side to the story. Watch Tucker's videos.
     
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