It matters because you are then ignoring the will of 90% of the people in an area. Why does that ten percent get to dictate the sovereignty of the Ninety? As to the terrorist aspect of the situation the Turks, USA, and EU all have labeled the Turkish Kurds as a terrorist organization. Thus is the Syrian and Iraqi kurds support them they are supporting terrorists.
Because we would be helping an illegal entity such as the Kurds, to take land away from the legitimate government which is Syria, and the people that live there. Aren't we supposed to be against such things? Uncle Sam is my name and regime change's my game. And this is why I sing and shout to tell you all what it's about - Jeannette
I think Trump prefers to use soft power (economic) rather than hard power where he can. I'm fine with this.
Actually the PKK is considered a terrorist organization by many countries. The Turkish government insists the SDF and YPG are terrorist organizations and that they work with the PKK. The YPG which is the Kurdish people's protective force is not considered a terrorist organization by other nations, but the SDF is considered one by the Syrian government who labels them as ‘separatist terrorist militias’. The SDF fought the ground war against the ISIS, capturing nearly all Syrian territory east of the Euphrates river between 2016 and 2019. The Syrian government has sent a letter to the UN saying that the SDF operates in line with “schemes” by the United States and Israel and that the Syrian government will “liberate” the territories the Kurds captured. The letter also said that the SDF has moved on from taking part in “committing crimes of the “International Coalition” against the Syrian people,” and is now “kidnapping, torturing, killing and displacing civilians.” This is why Trump said that the Kurds are not angels.
Generally speaking legit wars are fought in self defensebut can also be legit if someone like nazi Germany arises and wages a war of aggression and taking over other sovereign nations. Especially if those other nations are allies. But meddling in the affairs of others , waging invasions for regime change when those nations are not a real threat to our people are not legit and against international law that we helped to write right after ww2. We have broken those laws time and time again with overt and covert operations. We have corrupted our constitution by congress not declaring war since ww2. None of the wars we started in the ME were justified and against international law that we refuse to abide by. This makes us no better than other war mongers. In reality. And a great danger to humanity . Not to mention the immorality involved. We should hope others dont emulate us. Gen. Smedley Butler the highest decorated marine officer wrote a pamphlet called War is a Racket that you should read. For he experienced this fact. And most war since ww2 fits into this category. Imo anyone who agrees with PNAC that 911 allowed the neocons to implement it are criminal war mongers. And left thr ME in worse shape than we found it. Causing a flood of Muslims into europe with the problems this has created. Ike warned us against the wars that would be waged by the rise of the military industrial complex. Gen Butler told us most war is a racket. We are very far apart in our view of war. I was not drafted but volunteered to go and kill in Vietnam. But as I became educated and saw most of our wars were due to what Ike told us as well as what Gen Butler tried to tell us .I changed my mind. I want the draft to be reinstated for that would reduce our war mongering exponentially . And our poor would stop dying and being maimed for those who get richer by nnever ending war.
When, exactly, has the US labeled the Kurds as "a terrorist organization"? (It is true that, in 2010--during the Obama administration--the US placed TAK (which is affiliated with the PKK) on the list of terrorist organizations. But that is about as close as I can come to your assertion that this country has labeled the Kurds "as a terrorist organization.") As for your "90%" figure, just about that number were whites, in this country, during the civil-rights movement of the 1960s. Should we conclude, therefore, that the minority should have no rights (or, at best, secondary rights?
Fair enough. But what "soft power" has he used against Turkey? And exactly how do we bring back, from the dead, all those Kurds who were slaughtered by the Turks, during that time of inaction?
Unlike you, I do not view it as mere "meddling" to back up our friends, the Kurds, when they are under assault. (With the possible exception of Israel, we have no greater friend in the Middle East.) As for "international law," I have slightly less respect for it than I have for, say, used toiled paper. (As far as I am concerned, the highest law in all the world, for Americans, is that which comes from Washington, DC. No exceptions.) By the way, you should probably know that you reveal yourself as a hater when you glibly throw around the term, "neocons"--rather than neoconservatives. (It is, of course, a bit like using the horrible "N" word to describe black people.)
Rights and taking national sovereignty are very different things. We are not speaking about rights but making a new country out of three other countries. and the PKK which the Syrian Kurds support is what I am speaking about.
We used them and paid them to fight isis. I doubt they were friends. And a nato ally, turkey is not the folks we would generally fight and kill. There are written agreements in regards to nato members that trump fighting turkey who was going after their enemy. This is not that hard to understand. Neocons from a think tank created PNAC. In the interest of US hegemony for the 21st century that would use invasion and regime change wars to accomplish that goal. But implementing such war driven foreign policy needed aanother pearl harbor kind of event to convince DC of such war mongering that broke intetnational law that our wiser ancestors helped to write to stop aggression that had nothing to do with defending our people. This bellicose scheme that came from wolfawitz, cheney and Kristol. It is anti American and 911 gave them an exuse to implement something worthy of the old USSR or worthy of someone like Hitler . So hell yeah I think neocons are anti american and immoral And and unacceptable. And most Americans had to be lied to in order to move beyond Afghanistan where AQ had a place to train and plan 911. You give no credence to Ike or Butler real patriots and proved it. You are entitled to your opinion but we will never agree on this issue . Ike and Butler would be on my side. Neocons are far too cavalier with American lives. Our soldiers. But then cheney, Kristol and wolfawitz dodged the draft and never put their arses on the line.
Are you talking about Turkey where the Kurd population is about 25%, or about Syria, where the Kurds want to take lands which they had never lived on, and are ethnically cleansing the people living there? The Kurds have come to an agreement with the Syrian government to stop their illegitimate claims, and to go to the peace talks that are now being held. In return they have the protection of the Syrian forces and Russia. I assume the neo cons will pressure Trump, and mess up the situation in Syria again so the war could keep going on.
There is no way the Russophobe nations that border Russia in the north, will ever allow Turkey to leave - no matter how many migrants Turkey sends into Europe. If you want to blame anyone for that, then blame the liberal NGO's, MSM and military industrial complex for arousing the Russophobia.
Would you not agree that the Kurds have been denied their own country--absent which, they are merely strangers in a strange land?
Yes. But has he ever followed through? (There is, of course, a temporary "cease-fire" now. But does anyone really suppose that it will last?) And you ignored my second question, viz.: Just how might we restore to life all those Kurds who have already been slaughtered?
Your continued use of the pejorative term "neocons"--in addition to your comparison to those you disagree with to "the old USSR" and "Hitler"--certainly reveals that you are a hater. So I shall simply ignore you (and your hate) in the future...
So...the latest news is that U.S. troops have reentered Syria, from Iraq, to protect the Syrian oil wells. Not clear who is threatening them? ISIS? They've supposedly been defeated. Syria? It's sort of their country. Turkey? They supposedly aren't going that far into Syria. Russia? Maybe, but they have plenty of their own. Seems that while Trump didn't mind throwing the Kurds under the bus, he forgot about the oil.
The sanctions passed by Congress went into effect for a total of 3 days. Then Trump proudly announced a ceasefire which was never really a ceasefire. That followed with an announcement that the US will put troops in Syria to protect their oil fields.
Trump, and Russia, told the Kurds they had better go make a deal with Damascus. The Kurds declined. All the Never-Trumpers predicted a slaughter. Trump actually pulled out, and guess what the Kurds did. They went and made a deal with Damascus.
Nomadic people like the Kurds always had symbiotic relationships with extended family in settled towns. There are 30 million Kurds and they are just all over the place. Sometimes they were called Mountain Turks.. There are other forces at work here.
Why should every people have their own country? What makes their wants more important then the citizens of the other three countries they are trying to carve their home out of?
why are you so concerned with a not interventionist foreign policy in the mideast and elsewhere. Do you think- American intervention in south vietnam at the cost of 1 mill lives? The overthrow of Mohammad Mosaddegh and the backing of the Shah in Iran The 1/2mill of Iraqi dead in the effort to oust Saddam. Turning Libya into a hell hole after we assured quadafi that we would let him in peace. Actively supporting SA in thier genocide in Yemen. Never mind our backing of rightwing facists in Central america turning those countries into hell holes that the people are now streaming into our country. If we would have left those people to thier own devices the world would have been a much better place.
I should emphasize that I am not a Never Trumper: I voted for Donald Trump in 2016; and I imagine that I will do the same in 2020--despite some fairly significant reservations. And the "deal" that the Kurds made--under pressure--amounted to their relinquishing some of the land that was previously theirs. (By the way, I think that "America First" is a quite reasonable policy--even, in fact, a good policy--but I am certainly not in favor of any policy of America only.)
