Turkey BEGS France to throw out genocide bill/forget this crime,we give you millions

"Turkey's foreign minister has asked the French Senate to reject a bill criminalising genocide denial, as it moves closer to becoming law

Ahmet Davutoglu said the passing of the bill would leave a "black stain on France's intellectual history".

Turkey froze political and military ties when the bill was passed by the National Assembly last month.

France recognises the mass killing of Armenians in Ottoman times as genocide - a description Turkey rejects/.../"

question: what is wrong with those New Ottomans? why they could accept the fact of Genocide?

 

Turkey, you committed genocide.

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question: every one knows that turks/ottomans did it .... why they could accept this fact?

 

They will never admit that an Islamic nation committed genocide against Christians. The history of the spreading of Islam by the sword is largely whitewashed. There are plenty of crackheads here who will say that Islam spread peacefully.


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i aware the fact that Christians are not really humans according Islamic law, and tradition but in this case it is more about Turkish national idea, Kemal was not even Muslim ...

 

As we know from the Third Reich, it takes a nation to commit a genocide. Muslims see themselves as better than everyone else. They cannot admit that a Muslims nation committed genocide.

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Committing a terrible crime and then pretending it never happened is wrong, regardless of how much that might hurt misplace national pride. Worse, such behavior encourages others to follow your example (Hitler supposedly said "who remembers the Armenians") and thus spawns copycats to follow in your criminal footsteps. The French are doing this for tawdry domestic political reasons (they are French after all) but it is still a right thing to do. Until Turkey grows up and faces up to its past it will always be a second-rate and unsound nation.

 

It is my understanding that the current Turkish government is not in any way responsible for the crime which occurred, which makes its position on the issue all the more puzzling. Why be all upset about a foreign view concerning a historical matter that one is not responsible for? Turkey should really relax on this and let it be. They are just making things worse than they have to be.

 

Because Islamists cannot suffer criticism from non-Muslims.


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The Turkish government doesn't even accept such criticism from Muslims, so your argument doesn't hold any water.

 

Muslims in Turkey aren't the nation of France, yet they still cannot handle criticism.

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Lebanon (Muslims) , did it 2 time in 1997 and 2000 . Israel = 0

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.161/current_category.7/affirmation_detail.html

 

Hey Guys, you mostly didn't understand event.

In Turkey we have already journalists, writers, intellectuals accepts a genoside. They say it in TV channels, in newspapers e.t.c. Hence we are talking about 100 years old event such as Indian Genoside in USA, or early Algerian Genoside maden by France...

Litwin who is hardworking member over anti muslim and Turkish propoganda will say to me we are talking about Armenian Genoside open another topic for Algerian Genoside and he will insist that there is not Algerian Genoside.

And i want to answer before he say this: We can't talk seperately if we will talk we will talk about all Genosides, who ever says my Genoside is clean yours is dirty he is hypocrite... French parlementers rejected it in 2006 the same law, but suddenly they decided to judge people whoever thinks and shares that he doesn't beleive it wasn't genoside will be jailed and have to pay 45.000 Euros. This is even aganist to French laws this is to punish to think and share.

To discuss and to apologize when it need yes!, To use this tragedies as a political tool no!

 

whats about your officials? MP, President , etc.

ps

Algerian PM tells Turkey to stop citing French massacre

Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Alge...nch+massacre/5962345/story.html#ixzz1k8TOHIB9

 

The most ignorant comment on the topic I've ever seen so far. Anyone who made a little research on the genocide would know that the responsible political party of the genocide was Ittihat Terakki, meaning Progress and Order, which was directly derived from the positivist motto "L’amour pour principe et l’ordre pour base; le progrès pour but", One of the members of the party, Ahmet Riza was considered at that time as one of the main activists of European positivism, many of the top ranked officers of the party were also highest degree Freemasons - accepted and respected by the European Lodges, the party was supported by many European Jews like Emanuel Carasso, at last but not the least, some of the top ranked officers of the party were Crypto Jews, like Mehmed Cavid.

Those people were the ones who established secularism in Turkey, also.

 

What is the point of putting people in jail for denying a genocide occurred?

People should be free to say what they want, even if it's false.

 

I personally know a family who are descents of and escaped the genocide in Armenia. It is real and it happend and I hope the French have the backbone on this one and keeps it real.

 

So you think people should be thrown in jail because they disagree with you.

Nice.

 

"the party was supported by many European Jews like Emanuel Carasso," in which way they were supported by many European Jews?

very interesting reading...but which turkey did they want to get finally? ethically pure, secular, European?

 

Actually, I stumbled upon a little on this subject the other day....

During WWI, Turkey sided with Germany and Austria.

It fought a campaign against the Russians in the Caucasus among other places.

The Armenians - Turkish citizens in the Turkish Caucasus, decided they liked Russia as an overlord better than Turkey. They revolted and actively supported the Russians - fighting against the soldiers of their own country.

That made them at the time traitors who had committed treason by the standards of any country, including America - they took up arms against their own state in support of their enemies.

The Turks therefore looked on Armenians as traitorous scum after WWI - which of course they were.

To put that in context, suppose Mexico invaded the United States and Texas, and most Texans, decided to fight on Mexicos side.

What would that make Texas and Texans? Obviously treasonous traitors to be dealt with accordingly.

 

you are moron , would you call the pregnant women and 2 years old children, old people for "traitorous scum"? then rape/brutally kill them as a punishment? you are sick ...

 

How many PM accepts the genosides of theirs? They are politicians, however this doesn't means i confirm him...

Algeria has a pupet goverment, people in Algeria aware of this genoside...
http://www.turkishny.com/english-ne...ndemn-algerian-premier-for-criticizing-turkey

I don't confirm that Erdogan also use this genoside of Algeria however he is politician he is not doing something worse than Sarkozy. And Erdogans father is not participated in genoside Army while Sarkozy's father was an military officer during Algerian Genoside...

 

exactly people like you use Algerians tragedy as a ball for your political games , then as a liberal do you feel comfortable with people like GrimReaper? does not look like he will accepted any time soon your genocides ...

 

So, no Muslims were involved in the murders and rapes? I find that hard to believe. Didn't Muslims have a duty to Allah to refuse to commit these crimes?


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the turks who live and usually born in Europe, local people / law call for the immigrants, i belong to other group of people citizens of an EU state.

ps come to THe ME section you will find a lot of interesting there