UK joins Syrian invasion with material military support

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    I've been to Ramallah last year... As i said before - the coffee shops were full and the Baklawa was great.
    Eilat for me is expensive and Luxurious.
    Thank you for your concern. :cool:
     
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    This i answer to your request - do not see it as personal attack ( which is against the rules ).

    By reading your comments, I have come to a sad conclusion that if you were given a knife, you are potentioally able to stab
    a family with small children in their sleep, as happened in a "fogel" massacre victims two years ago.
    Your hatred is above and Beyond normal.
    You make yourself brainwashed when it comes to hatred of Israel.
    Too bad ..
     
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    Again, perhaps that is a projection.

    Let me make clear, I have no wish to see the deaths of any innocent or young people, anywhere, no matter who they are.

    Indeed, I wish for the opposite.

    Again, perhaps it is you projecting, maybe?

    After all, I too have read your posts, and they are typical Zionist Jew cheerleading for death, and Jewish racism.

    Perhaps you need to look at that boulder in your own eye, my good friend.

    But that would take humility, and as we know, this is not something commonly preached to Zionist Jews and their ilk.

    With all of that being said, if I could bring together all the lying warmongers, and infanticidal maniacs and fan boys, be they Americans, British, French, or Israeli, of course I would, them and their financial terrorists.

    Any reasonable human being and true patriot would want that gone, of course they would since their presence only weakens us, and puts more power and money into fewer hands.

    And in doing so, these traitors to the US, Britain, and France, they place both the stain of death and the cost on all of us.

    What is there to like about that?

    Nothing.

    The only people that could like that would be the parasites themselves that want to undermine us, and cost the lives of yet more millions of people.

    It is a natural for a decent man to want to bring these people off the streets, if it means in doing so, we rid ourselves of this parasite and cabal of traitors, I for one would shed not a tear if these evil men were arrested globally, and sent to a penal conoly for mass crimes against humanity, nation states, misuse of armed forces, etc.

    The worse of them would be hung.
     
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    Your comment is sad, and i'll tell you why.

    If i do not believe in Palestine than i am typical Zionist Jew cheerleading for death, and Jewish racism ?
    I can say the same about you, are you a typical arab muslim cheeleading for death, and muslim fascist nazi ?

    All the nick names you give to those who don't go your way shows ( not personal attack ) some stupidity .
    You can "get even" if somebody else starts... But 90% you start the insults.

    Now, if you do not wish to see the deaths of any innocent or young people, anywhere, no matter who they are, why don't you
    join some peace movement that will bring peace sooner ?.
    Do you think that by posting thousands of hatred threads you help your wish ?? In your heart you know the answer.

    I know, you will probably write the same way about me... outsiders know there is a difference.
     
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    #252 marked for review.
     
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    It should be reviewed, This i answer to his request - do not see it as personal attack ( which is against the rules ).
    Thank you :hug:
     
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    So you support genocide.

    See.

    That is where we differ.
     
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    The franch and the RU government decided to help the rebellion by giving them some gears, and in my point of view it's a wise decision. Certainely this hide some interests otherwise why not engage this political decision before ?
    Anyway, it can be onlya good new for the syrian's population... and i hope this will help them to reach their goal : make assad dismiss...
    Furthermore, what is the futur of this country and his population, if assad's regime collapse ?
     
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    First sorry for the delay in responding I have been slammed (thank you God) with requests & (donations) at the mission (MMM) and Church (ABOTC) leaving little time for recreational computer usage.

    Yes, they did hit one quasi military target in the series of terrorist* attacks of 9/11. (an act of terror by rIslamic terrorists. I use the word ‘terror’ since war had been declared as per UN etc agreements). I wonder what they will do for our 'invasion' (which is not an invasion at all but rather assistance as requested to support the current government)

    Yes, again however, the white house attempt was even more of a questionable military target than the pentagon. (in this usage military target would be combatants, as per the dictionary definition and IHL - Rule 3.)

    Accused is a key word here, but lets not vist that in this reply. All governments commit or are ACCUSED of horrific evils yes. Some even agree with beheading for minor crimes. eh? In addition I do not endorse as moral any government western or near east or European communist, as I have said, and a temporal mantra of mine is; 'Goverment; evil by defualt'.

    Affirmative, as a Veteran of the US military and a fan of military strategy and as a reluctant student of geo political affairs etc understand the nuances of terrorist strategy. The big dif in the 9/11 rIslamic terrorist attack war had not been declared as per; (Customary IHL) - Rule 3. Definition of Combatants.
    I would say similar as opposed to “exactly the same” .

    No. Your sly, or maybe unintentional twisting* of the term ' strategic purposes ' demands more than a yes or no answer. Everything of a moral/ethical etc relevance is different in a world war than in peace time. Maybe, I should say diff in a declared war. Even the passing of decades, sometimes only a year or two, change the opinion expert and layperson alike of what is and what is not moral/ethical/offensive/ etc. So despite my feelings of the nuclear bomb or the A bombing of Japan in WORLD WAR 2 (and lets not forget the fire bombing etc and the torture of UK prisoners on a epic scale etc, ie all non-ethcial and or immoral acts, I would say a sneak attack in peacetime is different than the use of weapons and such is different in total war. So to answer the moral question is impossible, to answer the question from a many sided prespective. The question of the A bomb and other questionable immoral acts from a pure military standpoint, you know the answer to your original question, there are no morals in war or fighting for survial .

    Afghasnistan, YES of course it was at the beginning Iraq 2, I don’t know for sure. I see nothing immoral about the first Iraq war because we, ie the alliance led by the US were there to protect Kuwait at their bequest, and of course I have no illusions that it’s oil and the supply of oil was being protected as well for interests of the west.



    I agree in part, the Iraq war is expensive because THE USA TAKES NO, OR NOT ENOUGH BOOTY!!! If the USA was more immoral unethical we would seize very tangible and intangible asset in Iraq etc as spoils of war. There would be no cryptic or abstract question everything would be taken! Lol. However we the USA did not do that!

    I do beleive war and preparing to fight or defend against the most powerful and advanced military in the world destroyed (broke) USSR (a Beatles song, lol!) war kills in more ways than one and do take down nations, even superpowers. That said the move to fiat currency i.e. two US prezs removing the Gold backing is/are(?) directly related to the war(s) from 1900 onward and the mismanaging of money by the government of the USA is why the US is declining and its speeding up due to the nature of borrowing. So you are correct somewhat but Iraq is not as costly as Nam or WW2 was in real dollars.

    That was a shock of sorts! Lol I thought you hated anything west or USA. I thought you might be an you a old/new hippy, a leftist ex weatherman green tree spiker ? A Nam/Iraq war protester? lol I will say I was at least one of the latter but finally woke up! I too value much of our nation that is why I so detest some of our leaders etc. A true patriot should do what is necessary to protect the country not the leaders. Eh?
    Well it don't take much energy to pull a voteing lever or mash a button in a booth. But even that may be rigged (Hint; it is). As I live life sometimes by a thread, and sometimes, often times when I was a kid, I was unbelievably selfish and reckless, but one of the most important lessons I have learned is that in things of the temporal universe ie non supernatural religious things nothing is black and white right or wrong. Nothing is 100% true or false, etc. So although Gbush did a lot of wrong things he was no worse than any other president or leader in my thinking. Only the nature of the PC liberal selfish snivelers* make Bush seem far worse than he actually was. *(no, not you etc. The Usual Suspects are not included in the LSS group lol, although many have some of the latter qualities).

    So, to sum this up we are back at square one in Syria the USA has been there from the beginning. Unfortountly I would wager all of the nations have covert and visible spooks running around promoting what ever interests they are getting paid to promote. Nothing changes, my posts that seem to offended you and Alexia etc are not offensive to the true patriots of the countries covertly or visibly represented in Syria etc be they the USA or Iran, Russia or China. My post was offensive to those that are proponents of terrorists nations that support such immoral acts of terrorism. Nothing changes (again). I am anti war pro self defense. I am anti government, especially big government (and communism or Marxist socialism is the biggest government of all!) Should the USA be in Syria ? Morally speaking its an impossible question to answer. Should we be there as black ops? Speaking strictly as a strategist, no moral ethical or other issues allowed, I say we better be there and we should support the interests of the USA world wide by any means necessary, that is why I am not an participant of the above employ nor an active (hands on) agent. The truly important things are not temporal but rather they are all spirtural ie matt 6:20 ;. 'But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal'.

    ~reva~
     
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    Palestine is not a nation and in the history of the world there has never been a nation of Palestine.

    reva
     
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    To all those that are watching Fox and Al Arabeya and don't know what is really going on in Syria

    Aleppo activist Edward Dark:
    Friday, Mar. 15 2013


    ‘People here don't like the regime, but they hate the rebels even more’

    What is life in Aleppo like? Is there electricity, water and internet access? Can people go out shopping and visiting cafes? What are people talking about on the street? Are schools and university open?

    The city is divided in half between rebel and government-controlled areas, and getting from one side to the other is difficult and risky. Most roads have been blocked off, and there is very heavy traffic in the morning as people go about their business of trying to get things done. By early evening, the city streets are almost empty, hardly anyone at all ventures out at night. There are frequent and long-lasting power and water outages.

    The garbage hardly gets collected at all in some areas; there is hardly any fuel, and what little there is is sold on the black market at highly-inflated prices. There is a shortage of medicine, and most hospitals have either shut down or are working in limited capacity due to shortages in power, supplies and staff. Many of the well-to-do residents, businessmen as well as professionals, especially doctors, have fled the city and settled abroad.

    The university is still open, but a lot of classes are getting canceled and attendance is low. Only a handful of schools are open, the rest house displaced refugees and have no classes at all.


    When you got back online, you presented a very different view of the state of the uprising. What changed?

    I, and many other residents of Aleppo saw firsthand how the armed rebels were acting on the ground, and the various crimes and looting they were committing with impunity. Another reason is that there are foreign jihadi fighters with extremist ideologies here. This wasn't what we revolted for, to replace one group of criminals with another.

    Aleppo has fallen off the map in terms of international media attention recently. What is the state of play there now? How close are rebel fighters from controlling the entire city?


    The media pays attention to whatever fits their viewpoint and agenda with regards to the conflict in Syria. It's very common to see certain media stations either ignoring, exaggerating, and sometimes even outright fabricating facts on the ground. Aleppo has been in a stalemate for a long time, and will likely remain so, hence the decreased interest in it. It is highly unlikely that rebels can overrun the entire city. The regime maintains a large force in the city, as well as a significant support base among the population.

    Is there broad support for the revolt in Aleppo today, or is it localized?

    People here don't like the regime, but they hate the rebels even more. The economic hardships and harsh living conditions brought by the rebel assault on the city [last July] added to their crimes and has significantly eroded their support among the people here.

    How divided is the city in terms of opposition to and support for the revolt? Has it changed since the early days?

    The city is divided in terms of support, yes. And as I have said earlier, support for the revolt has waned ever since the rebel assault on the city.

    In your experience, are all rebel fighters dangerous and careless of civilians’ lives, or just some?


    In my experience, the majority of rebels show recklessness toward civilian lives, as of course, so does the regime, but that shouldn't be an excuse at all. Some rebel groups are no more than organized crime syndicates, opportunistically engaging in kidnapping, extortion and large-scale looting of factories and warehouses. The fact that the ‘good guys’ in the rebels haven't been able to stop them casts a very dark shadow on all the rebels here.

    Roughly, what percentage of the city is in government hands and rebel control respectively?

    Roughly, you could say it’s evenly divided. But Aleppo is effectively surrounded by rebel fighters, and all major highways into the city are under various degrees of rebel control, making getting supplies here very difficult, especially fuel.

    Are there signs the government is increasingly losing control of the city?

    No, it’s in a state of stalemate. It doesn't look like it will be changing anytime soon.

    Were the rebels that began fighting government forces last summer actually from the city? What does that tell us?

    No, they were from the countryside around the city. That's another problem, and adds to the hostility towards them from the city dwellers.
     
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    I did not see MG say he supported genocide. I did see where you said he said or you thought he supported it. Personally I fairly despise anyone putting words in my mouth. Isn’t that unethical? Really, If someone does not say or believe what another party wants them to say or believe, and they insist on posting/publishing their version of what they want the other party to say or what they they think the other party supports etc when clearly the other party doesnt beleive what is published/posted in a highly suggestive manner, isn’t that slander or libel?

    Anyway~

    The fabrication of Palestine is one of the biggest cons pulled in the history of the world too! Lol it is superb execution of PsyOps propaganda that would have made the WW2 Nazi propaganda Joseph Goebbels jump with Glee because its existence even as a less than full member nation is just another immoral way to harm the Jewish people. Oh lastly for the record I am a uber Christian Zionist and I certainly do not support any form of genocide.

    reva
     
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    I thought the so called invasion of syria was really support, no boots on the ground, which is a more correct word and opinion of what is going on in syira, your op ie invasion or support? I also feel that there is nothing wrong or nothing right [sic] with supporting national interests. By the weirdly worded sentence I meant; Do you support any rebels? Any government? it’s a matter of personal opinion and that is the only real issue in any conflict.

    reva
     
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    You know nothing about psyops.
     
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    Chemical attack by rebels kills 25
     
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    How do u no what I no? Know you dont no nutin' about me, cause I do no about psyops, and have use methods knot nown to all the jacks in the world, and I have applied pysops to erase your memory of what you no about me..[all sic]

    reva
     
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    You probably think psyop is a setting on the washing machine.
     
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    True. However the way I see it is that France like all nations (of course including mine) have made mistakes trying to help etc. That is why I am a isolationist and why government is not my friend, nor I theirs. the worked would be a far better place if the nations govs covert and open planners would mtob.

    reva
     
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    Lol, ROLF , Then by that definition you believe a Christian does not think God or Jesus exists, you think a real Christian thinks the bible is not relevant, that Jesus did not die on the cross that God did not create the universe that …truly if you really think all of the above is true its no wonder all your replies read like fiction or worse attempts to

    As I said lol, your comment on my knowledge of politics are about the same, which makes your reply intuitively ignorant definitely stupid, unless of course its simply meaningless off topic insult and sarcasm, which in that case is a serious rules violation.

    reva

    mods and members; sorry for butchering the quotes and tags
     
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    All support for the flag of the coward you fly, is support for genocide, war, murder, and theft.
     
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    Especially if he's from Brooklyn.
     
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    Lol, ROLF , Then by that definition you believe a Christian does not think God or Jesus exists, you think a real Christian thinks the bible is not relevant, that Jesus did not die on the cross that God did not create the universe that …truly if you really think all of the above is true its no wonder all your replies read like fiction or worse attempts to

    As I said lol, your comment on my knowledge of politics are about the same, which makes your reply intuitively ignorant definitely stupid, unless of course its simply meaningless off topic insult and sarcasm, which in that case is a serious rules violation. Wait my reply might be misinterpreted to be the same...maybe not I am reefing on the words not the member...whew...

    reva

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    All nations including the one you call home fall short of the approval and glory of God, and that my fellow member is the only flag I support ...in case you are wondering that is Gods flag. Oh if anyone is wondering I am turning the cheek by
    'liking' all the suspects posts regardless of content...lol

    reva
     
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    That...'flag', such as it is, represent liars and child murderers.

    It has use only as kindling.
     

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