The NHS have PFIs putting public money into private hands and for it people have to wait in A&E hours on end. It's the equivalent to riding a bus to work rather than driving your luxury car in terms quality of service we all have to get. Difference is here, if you can afford the luxury car, you're probably still subject to wait over 5 hours at A&E. Then you're forced to accepted whatever the NHS say unless you can pay for health care somewhere else, in another country.
Not quite true. PFIs are a long term drain, reflecting Thatcherite stupidity. The A&E delays reflect reductions in beds, lost staff and failure to invest in social care. The NHS continues to be one of the best providers in the world. Its just under threat because of Tory voters.
So what's the logic of forcing rich people and poor people to use the same service stretching it and not providing better health cares to replace the NHS? Promoting healthier lifestyles too to qualify for that care? What's so moral about benefits and NHS? People who don't work don't have to work. People have the NHS so aren't motivated by fear to lead healthier lives. Socialism is bad.
People are married to the NHS though... The politicians gave it to us, and no one wants to take it away, but even if anyone did, they couldn't, would be thrown out of office; it's a money hole. A Socialist shitty 5 hour 6 hour wait in A&E not all treatments provided money hole we're all stuck with.
You've already been informed. This is public good delivery. The format simply twins equity and efficiency. You've also been told about this myth. The NHS isn't sufficient for socialism. It is, however, necessary for efficiency. The ideological attack by the Tories, and therefore Tory voters, is an attack on economic rationality.
As far as the ER goes, by law, if you show up in the ER you have to be treated. That doesn't mean that you won't get a bill, but it probably means you won't be paying it. People without insurance who show up at the ER with no insurance are homeless or have some sort of screw loose where they don't get coverage (the really poor get Medicaid), or, have some sort of bad luck circumstances. As far as Blue Cross/Blue Shield goes, it's one of a few big health insurance companies in the US. Some of the health plans are good and others less so.
So I guess Medicaid is like the NHS? I guess, I want more health care options for the UK while keeping an NHS for our most poorest and vulnerable, but want other health care options to exist so the British don't have to rely on NHS alone. I believe this will help the NHS not literally treating everybody but only treating those who can't afford, and also, I believe private health care 'as I'm dubbing it' might provide a better service than the NHS. The NHS might even improve a bit with now finding itself not having to cope with everybody. I wonder, how do we reduce the NHS contributions to those who chose to opt out of the NHS making it that you still have to pay for the NHS 'for a rainy day' but recognising your decision to not use the NHS making those who buy private health care (make them affordable) pay for that instead of the NHS but still kicking a little bit of tax to the NHS, like a very low flat basic rate provided these people have other health cares set up instead.
There is a big difference between the NHS and Medicaid. The NHS is a service with it's own facilities. Medicaid is more similar to health insurance, in that you can see any health provider who will take the Medicaid fee schedule. But Medicaid is government provided. But overall, I agree more healthcare options are better than fewer, but when you have vested interests that like things the way they are, it makes change an uphill climb.
Shifting away from the system that we currently have will undoubtedly intensify economic inefficiencies.
I maintain that people should be free range and not streamlined for efficiency like some sort of assembly line mentality and that freedom is better than subjugating everybody to the NHS. How is efficiency better than freedom? You want the state to take care of us from cradle to grave and feel we should fund it regardless of wanting to and providing no choice or say in the matter.
There is already freedom. You're quite free to spend your money on non-NHS care. But to switch from national provision is simply irrational. I want everyone to have equal access to quality care. I also want that care to be provided as efficiently as possible. The Tories, with their underhand privatisation methods, is encouraging rent seeking behaviour at the expense of us all.
Equality is a filthy word. If it were up to you, a doctor would be paid the same as a rubbish collector/garbage person. Equality is unfair and why should the NHS have a monopoly on health care? It's always demanding more money, poor people are always going to abuse their bodies, waiting times in A&E is always going to be long. You're anti competition and it's no wonder the NHS wants more money since everyone has no real choice in who to use. Why not have a whole industry full of health care providers and private hospitals to replace the NHS for people who don't want, and why should people who don't want it have to pay the same for it as others who would otherwise have no choice?
Where's the fairness in treating everyone as equal when not everyone is equal? Do you want equality, or do you want fairness?
When we're referring to, at least, maintaining human capital and, at most, life/death? Golly! Please don't make stuff up! Here we are referring only to the NHS (which is public good delivery in capitalism). However, if we were to refer to socialism, we wouldn't have equality of outcome. We would have equalit It doesn't. You have numerous health providers to choose from. I'm happy for you to waste your money and choose a private option. Enjoy! Actually the NHS, for long periods, has had to suffer from underfunding. We see that with international comparisons of % of GDP going to health care. It most certainly is suffering from underfunding now. Wrong again. I'm a market socialist. Its typically the Tories that are anti-competition. They suckle at the tit of big business after all. I've already informed you of the reality: if we move away from the NHS we wouldn't just increase inequality. We would also increase inefficiency.
the NHS says that no matter how poor you are, you can still treat your body like **** and have you and your family taken care of - That's fine; but why does everyone have to share in it? Name one other private health care provider that isn't BUPA and then name one that doesn't work with the NHS. Why can't we have more choices, more freedom, why can't we shop around for health care?
Actually it doesn't. It does refuse treatment. You can whinge and whine as much as you want. The objective facts are clear: the NHS provides a public good at efficiency levels other countries can only dream about. You can. This is a red herring. Either way you benefit from the NHS. Even if you go for private health, you gain from an economy benefitting from improved health outcomes.
The NHS isn't the problem, modern healthcare and society is the problem. We have ageing and less-healthy populations, ever more expensive ways to treat or manage medical conditions and are more demanding, expecting a much greater range of services but not accepting the related cost increases. This is why America and most other western nations are facing similar difficulties managing their healthcare systems, the only differences being how the problems present themselves under the different systems. We're not going to fix anything fiddling with the technical structures, we need to have serious and open debates as nations about what we're willing to pay, what that will cover and what we're willing to compromise to bridge the inevitable chasm between the two. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone with the power to make that happen is willing to take the political hit for doing so.
How much money would we save if we cut government control over health care and privatised the health care system? Costs would go down, with all that competition. Quality would go up, with all that competition. (That's what always trying to be the best/provide the best does); Taxes should go down. Freedom should go up. And what's wrong with promoting healthy lifestyles for better coverage?
I like something for the poor people, visitors/those who come walk in off the street and need it. But... I also want quality for everybody. And feel maybe non profit and privatisation is better than socialism.
We would be worse off. The NHS is the most efficient provider of the public good. I appreciate that you've been corrupted by Thatcherism, where economic sense never made sense, but you're sounding like Hunt!
There is no proof of that. However, there will be a fight from those heavily invested into the NHS wanting to streamline it with government deciding for everyone since... There is no other way in the UK. It's corrupted and feel is holding us back from quality health care. When competition exists, prices come down, and quality goes up and the government can have a watch body to make sure there's legal competition going on and no price gauging. That's what government ought to be doing. If non profit and privatisation could abolish the NHS that wants to streamline everything for everyone. Born with a barcode, and get a life of waiting and dieing because nobody could even sell you an alternative healthcare. Prices remained the same 'for example' because a monopoly called the NHS made it that way, and investors took their money to invest in stupid apps for my phone instead because, with the NHS around, why would they invest into giving me better or cheaper health care?
Actually there is. Its easy to test efficiency through input-output analysis. Prices are lower because of the NHS. Impact of bargaining power for you! Could they be even lower? Certainly! The cretinous 'internal market', imposed by the ideological limited Tories, could be removed.
No, it's subsidised by the NHS, not BECAUSE of the NHS. Prices aren't lower, people aren't investing into selling better services and health care. Hiring the best doctors, looking for ways to improve and make it most cost efficient lowering prices in a competitive environment.
