UK Sovereignty

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Flanders, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. Sixteen String Jack

    Sixteen String Jack New Member

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    The Falklands are British territory.

    They've got much more to do with Britain than they've ever had with Argentina.

    It liberated the country from Nazi tyranny. Unlike Romania, which was an ally of Nazi Germany.

    It was Hitler who was the one who was desperate for war. The British, as your history teacher should have told you, spent several years appeasing him.

    Although it didn't give women the vote until about 1948.
     
  2. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    That true at the moment. But wait a few more years.

    What are you talking about?

    [video=youtube;r9nuBvhfLRk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=r9nuBvhfLRk[/video]

    Not atm. But soon all will be reorganized throughout all Europe.
     
  3. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    LIBERATED? Then why were hundreds of thousands of Athenians protesting against the British presence? Liberated you say... by rolling in the tanks against them, those civilians in Athens... Not to mention how the British have slaughtered the Greek army, supposedly their allies, under the pretext that they are communist partisans but actually with Stalin's blessing.

    What a filthy double game Churchill played... His interest was not an altruistic intention of 'liberty' but to have the Suez Canal.
     
  4. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was the same with Hitler - the one third of the population not fit to live can sometimes break out. The rest of us have to kick them back down, however, or we end with death camps and wars.

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    Yup. Read Konni Zilliacus, writing at the time.
     
  5. Colonel K

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    As part of the coalition government, the LibDems are no longer the repository of the protest vote. UKIP picked up most of that slack, but they are still what they are, a ragbag of fascistic Tory nutters and anti-Europeans.
     
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    Got any sensible reasoning for this piece of prejudiced bigotry? Could it be that people have seen how unprincipled the Lib Dems are now that they are part of the government? What do you put UKIP's increased support down to?
     
  7. tamora

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    Oh please. :roll:

    Maybe you're out of step, at least as far as EU membership goes?
     
  8. Colonel K

    Colonel K Well-Known Member

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    Have I offended your delicate sensibilities? Are you a member? I already said. Protest. They've reached the dizzying heights of 17% in one poll. Temporarily replacing the third runner is their peak.

    http://juniusonukip.blogspot.co.uk/
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    Really? If there is a way forward to Superpower status for a united Europe I don't see it.

    Maybe if the US, Russia, and China get into a nuclear war and Europe is the last one standing...
     
  10. tamora

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    Yes, I'm a UKIP member (have been for the last 10 years, I could see the way this was going a long time ago.)

    I don't have delicate sensibilities. I just don't have much patience with the dire quality of my opponents arguments and Junius is a well known gutter critic of UKIP's. These gutter critics are all over the internet and exist to oppose every party.
     
  11. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your Noise Machine is on full blast, and no opposition is allowed a voice, certainly. Faced with reality instead of straight bananas, however, everyone will see you off, but anyone in my country who thinks otherwise should go home to England NOW and gives us our villages, schools and pubs back.
     
  12. Sixteen String Jack

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    As I've mentioned, the EU (which is not Europe, Europe is just a continent) is in demographic and economic decline. It is never going to become a superpower when its share of world GDP is in decline and so is its population.

    There is no EU military.

    The EU is in democgraphic and economic decline and that's going to continue for decades. The EU's importance in the world is shrinking.

    From over 30% in 1980 the EU27 share of global GDP will fall to just 17% by 2017. It will fall even further in the years after that. Economic growth of the 6 EU founding members is almost at a standstill. Far from being the “future” the EU is in major relative decline. Britain's annual GDP growth exceeds France, Germany and Italy with Australia and Canada having even higher growth rates and China and India showing phenomenal rises. The EU is going to struggle to compete with the rest of the world.
     
  13. Sixteen String Jack

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    Because the Greeks were starving and in a state of shock after the German occupation and so theyw ere in no mood to show jubilation.

    I'm not being lectured on Britain's rile on WWII by a Romanian.
     
  14. Sixteen String Jack

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    So what are the SNP, then? I make then a bunch of Fascist/Marxist nutjobs (and Marxists are far worse than Fascists) and anti-English racists.

    Plaid Cymru are nothing more than a bunch of Marxist anti-English racist fruticakes.

    I find it ironic that a Scot is calling UKIP "anti-European racists" when Scotland itself is ruled by a nationalist party.
     
  15. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try someone British, then. The role of the British Army, under Stalin's and Churchill's smelly deal, was to destroy the choice of the Greek people, and the Greek Resistance that had fought Hitler. Read Konni Zilliacus MP.
     
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    Since you are unable to differentiate fascism and Marxism, I don't find that in the least surprising. You must be a UKIP member.
     
  17. Sixteen String Jack

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    I'm planning on joining UKIP, too. They're certainly getting my vote in the next EUSSR Elections and the next General Election.

    In fact, after Cameron gave his EU referendum speech a few months ago membership of UKIP increased by 233%. At the moment, UKIP membership is rising at 1000 per month.

    Of the four main parties, UKIP are the only ones whose membership is increasing. Membership of the Tories, Labour and LibDems is decreasing, so UKIP are very much catching up to them and it's only a matter of time before they are no longer a small party.

    And a poll a few weeks ago has shown that Farage is the most popular party leader.
     
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    Fascists believe that the role of the people is to serve the state while Marxists believe that the state exists to serve the people.

    In my opinion, Marxism is far worse Fascism (the Khmer Rouge were Marxists) yet, for some reason, Marxism is deemed acceptable in modern Britain whilst Fascism isn't, hence some people's silly reactions when a "Fascist" like Di Canio becomes manager of Swindon yet nobody bats an eyelid when a Marxist like Miliband becomes leader of the Labour Party.

    But I'm not having a Scot whingeing on about those who support nationalists like UKIP, who want Britain out of the EU, when Scotland itself is ruled by a nationalist party which wants Scotland out of the UK.

    The stench of hypocrisy is overpowering.
     
  19. Sixteen String Jack

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    And then the English can kick out the 609,000 Welsh people who live in England.
     
  20. Iolo

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    I'm afraid you know nothing. What Marx have you ever read? How big was the industrial working class in Cambodia, for God's sake? You have been so brainwashed that there is very little left, I fear. Heil McCarthy!
     
  21. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What English? the descendants of the 10,000 or so German mercenaries who took you over before the Danes, Normans, French, Dutch and so on, or the normal people who are, in your foreign jargon, 'Welsh' themselves?
     
  22. Vlad Ivx

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    Who do you think you're talking to? Somebody has done his homework here and somebody has not.

    How can I possibly be wrong? The EU produces a third of the GDP of all the planet. Russia? Maybe you didn't know that if you put the economy of 2 countries as small as Belgium and Netherlands together they exceed Russia?

    Also watch this:

    [video=youtube;eu3HH9Zctn0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=FLZ-WQxZFOYjggN3AyaONMXQ&feature=player_detailpage&v=eu3HH9Zctn0[/video]

    My own country isn't doing too bad either: Its economy is bigger than many of your US states: Oregon, South Carolina, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Iowa, Kansas, Nevada, Utah, Arkansas, District of Columbia, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Mexico, Hawaii, West Virginia, Delaware, New Hampshire, Idaho, Rhode Island, Alaska, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, Vermont and it's only the beginning. This one as well as the others in Eastern Europe are on their way to becoming powerhouses.

    Many of the US states on their own aren't much but when you put them together like they are now it results in the superpower USA is.

    The EU is already great without a government and with the many awkwardly large spendings on separate administrative structures. With Eastern Europe only beginning to wake up towards the path of civilization, with a government and a unity, we will easily be well over half of the world's economy.

    Sorry you've enjoyed 'ruling' the world for long enough. Time to leave it to someone else. It's our turn now.
     
  23. Vlad Ivx

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    Really? Take this:

    What if I told you that USA and USSR won the war for you? You just happened to be in the right spot to benefit from it all (the spoils of war). The United States... They're the ones who were the real deal on Omaha, Utah, Pointe du Hoc etc. Don't tell me otherwise because it's not. Without USA Britain would have become a Stalingrad, with people eating their horses, dogs, cats and in the end children and then each other. You should be thanking USA. They rescued the UK.

    And because you mentioned starvation, remember that the entire United Kingdom, this entire nation was kept alive, nourished by another. Canada. Before USA entered the war, UK was on the brink of starvation even with all the national fleet of Federal Canada assembled to aid you.
     
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    That is 1/5 actually.
    No, they don't.
    Belgium GDP~513,7 bn
    Nederlands GDP~836,1 bn
    Russia GDP~2511 bn
    513,7+836,1=1349,8<<2511





    Not going to happen with -0.3% GDP "growth".
     
  25. tamora

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    You said, "It was the same with Hitler - the one third of the population not fit to live can sometimes break out. The rest of us have to kick them back down, however, or we end with death camps and wars" and I'm supposed to be the one with the "noise machine"? That's funny!

    UKIP haven't tried to deny you a voice and neither have I. Nor has anyone taken anything away from you. It's curious that Nationalists like you are so choosy about who is welcome when at the same time you support the EU which champions the right to free movement of people. :wink:

    Like so many of UKIP's opponents you seem incapable of understanding why people are opposed to a more authoritarian state and all that goes with it. Just how long do you think parties that share your attitude will last in a democracy, even one as imperfect as ours?
     

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