UK to expel 23 Russian diplomats

PM May says she's 'not surprised' by the expulsion of the Brit diplomats. Blimey, now that's what I call perceptive! lol But stay - she's got other stuff up her sleeve, such as restricting the movement of ex-pat Russian criminals who were allowed to settle down here in the UK, which of course will mean they can't leave the UK because the restriction of movement mentioned above means they'll be forced by the new legislation to stay here when she really wants to deport them. Or repatriate them? Wha'evah! Additionally she's gonna find out how much money they've got - although I don't think that info will be easily got from their banks in order to comply with the demand by - get this . . . yet another new government department invented to get its hands on that filthy lucre? FFS it gets more ridiculous by the day. All we need now is for the US pre-presidential election 'Russian hacking' crap to rear its ugly head again from 2 years ago? Nah, that would be just too surreal!!?? Wait a minute, what's this I read in today's press . . . "Russia probe receives memos from Andrew McCabe on Trump interactions"
edit - forgot link

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-18/andrew-mccabe-kept-memos-on-donald-trump/9560248


'Those whom the gods wish to destroy blah blah.'

 

Foreign policy fib is not Tory specific. See Blair's dodgy dossier. This is about evidence. It just happens that the Tories are corrupted by Russian money, making them more suspect than usual.

 

Make the lie big, keep on repeating it, and the gullible will believe it. That's 'neuro-linguistic programming' for yer! Works like a charm every time.

 

What "big lie," exactly, do you see here? (Note: If you cannot prove that something stated was a "big lie," then this amounts to nothing more than a childlike taunt.)

 

The lie that Russia/Putin is the world's bogeyman, and that it's the main threat to world peace?

 

Russia's fine its just Putin that's a bit of a cnut

 

And what, please, is your evidence that this is a "big lie"?

What makes you believe that Vladimir Putin is at all amenable to the West?

(Are you of sufficient age to remember the glasnost under Mikhail Gorbachev, as well as the good relations with Boris Yeltsin?)

 

Because there are too many things which don't add up, not least that the entire West is conspiring to demonize Putin but offering not the slightest degree of evidence to justify it, which also fits in with my theory that the conspiracy has EU connotations, and with the Brexit negotiations ongoing, the timing is such that it essentially confirms my theory.

Because I've seen no evidence whatsoever that he's hostile to the West, have you? Indeed all the hostility is aimed at him BY the West?

Yes, but that was years ago; and I see no point in dwelling on past events; I'm more concerned about the present and the future.[/QUOTE]

 

And what things, exactly, just "don't add up"?

There are probably too many instances to count them all.

Just within the past few weeks, however, he threatened America with a missile that he claims can defeat all our missile defenses: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/world/europe/russia-putin-speech.html

As The New York Times--which is hardly a right-wing tabloid--put it, this "escalated the military invective in the tense relationship between the United States and Russia."

So, you "see no point" in preferring good relations with the Soviet Union--I mean, Russia--over a second Cold War (as Putin obviously desires)?

That is just jaw-dropping...

 

He didn't 'threaten America' ffs, but as a response to America's bellicose rhetoric, and provocative sabre-rattling on the very doorstep of his country he was merely putting NATO on notice that today's Russia is no longer a push-over 'USSR', and will be a force to be reckoned with in the event of hostilities. In other words, you're threatening him?? What's 'jaw-dropping' is that you don't get that!

 

There are a number of charges leveled at Putin's Russia from a "western" perspective, however, I'm assuming that your perspective comes from the dilemas the state suffered post Gorbachev and Yeltsin and how Putin challenged the perceptions of Rusians in terms of their communist and post communist social and economic constructs? The charges levelled at Putin could be argued to result from a number of mis-guided moves by the "West" including their support and assistance in the regime changes in ex-soviet states, NATO expansion into the region and EU/US invitations to the Ukraine into their sphere of influence? Is it your view that you feel that the propotionate response from Russia/Putin was to try and thus re-assert its/his influence in those regions by asserting firstly effective control in Russia through the application of [mostly] soft power and the longer term strategic aim of both military and soft power projection in order to counter the US/EU operations in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan etc? Do you feel that the current narrative against Putin is purely belligerent in that the cautionary US desire for repprochement has faltered or from a western Liberal perspective, more a cautionary message that tolleration is required. Or just plain fear of what/who he is?

 

All of those questions and presumptions should be perfectly clear in my posting history, so there is nothing to be gained by repeating them. Suffice to say that my most recent summing up - that western politicians hate him for making them look useless - is my current thinking. As to Putin's 'belligerence', I haven't noticed it. And I'm certainly not fearful of what/who he is, either. My fear is what western politicians are!
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Useless...interesting turn of phrase. Would you prefer that Western politicians had the same latitude of action within their own countries that Putin enjoys in his?
For example do you think it a strategic option for the UK to annex the areas around southern Spain in order to defend the integrity of Gibralta in the event that we leave the EU. Spain would have a stranglehold on our military bases in Gibralta which are crucial to access for our navy in the Med. Putin's annexation of the Crimea would be roughly eqivalent. This would send a message to the EU in our determination to provoke an positive outcome in our negotiations with the EU. One could also argue about the coherence of Spanish soverignty in light of the Catanlonia issues. A de-stabalised Spain could have ramifications for Gibralta as a bargaining chip in furture diplomatic confrontations with the EU? There has been broached the enhancement of an EU Army, in anticipation of this provocative stance would May be right to suggest a bolstering of military assets there and perhaps in Dover?

 

Stop with the prolixity ffs! I no longer care about western politicians or their qualities. And if the Gibraltarians could get a better deal from Spain they'd be only too pleased to be a part of Spain. I know, because I lived in Gib for two years and know the Gibraltarian mindset - and get this . . . they don't like us.

 

Ah bloody 'ell Cerb heres me trying to attone for not liking Julian and like trying to be all sophistcated like and intellectual and stuff...

yeah, me neither....but that weren't the point.

 

It's pretty much irrelevant, really. I don't personally care what the hag May says or does, Europe doesn't really care (considering Brexit), and I doubt the Russians care either. When Brexit takes full effect then I'll be very interested in what the UK has to say, Europe will find ways to coexist with a non-EU Britain (probably even asking for its advice), and relationships will no doubt improve with Russia once Brussels will no longer has a stranglehold on the UK.

 

Oh, I see: America and NATO are the ones guilty of "sabre-rattling," whereas Russia's rhetoric (and missile development) are merely of a defensive nature.

Got it...

 

Comparing Russia with Nazi Germany? Given the 20 million WW2 deaths, perhaps the Brits have decided to totally give up on rationality in their foreign policy?

 

It's probably about how the Nazis had the Olympics and Russia has a Putin and 2018 FIFA World Cup Final and Putin ran his country's election and probably we fear will demonstrate to the world Russian might and propaganda, which in these times of Putin advertising smart missiles hitting America (WTF)! - and targeting double agents who's defected to the UK, I think that's what Boris Johnson means.


WHY OH WHY IS UK THE ONE STANDING UP TO RUSSIA?
Have we lost our minds?
But, something's got to be done about Putin.

 

Typically its not a good idea to make Hitler comparisons. Making them with Russia, given her history and the immense death toll, is a red rag to a bull. It was a cretinous thing to say. I'm not surprised Ian Austin was part of it

 

Brussels better invest Britain's money wisely, because once that bill's paid off...
Oh sh*t...
Is that Dutch-Franco firm who won the bid for my passport hopefully keeping costs to me/the consumer down, are any of them state funded? Socialism, I don't trust it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43489462

Is the EU investing Brexit money into how best screw over Britain until that EU bill is paid off?

 

Typically election rigging and murder are cretinous acts too, look it up..

 

You could be Ian Austin! I haven't defended Russia (nor would I). However, making that accusation to a country that suffered over 20 million deaths because of Hitler really kicks Mr Cunning in the nads

 

It's probably Godwin's law on goverment's part, even the UK does it... Isreal do it all the time, I imagine.
Still, Russia kick democracy and international code and conduct in the nads.
Just look at Syria and Russian cease fires calling on everyone to obey and agree with Russian's terms which is a long enough process getting agreement, and when the day comes when everyone obeys the Russian ceasefire, Russia break the ceasefire because they deemed someone body/group to be a terrorist and so left that power to strike a condition of the Russian cease fire after buying however long worth of stalling time to continue their bombings.
The Kremlin can't be trusted is Britain's message to the world.

 

Bleedin more tutworthy than that. 20 million deaths fighting naziism and we compare them to the nazis? Idiocy run amok.

Given Britain's part in enabling hundreds of thousands casualties through the dodgy dossier, I don't think we have much to teach the world!